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A divided society-what can be done?

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trisher Wed 02-Aug-17 09:35:46

As Newcastle gets £500000 ot fight right wing extremism
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/right-wing-edl-newcastle-racism-13402419
there is also news that the cities 2 universities are still attracting EU students and there are increasing numbers of students from the Middle and Far East coming here. Will the money really help? And what can be done to mend a fractured society? When I see the EDL demonstrating and yelling in a city centre crowded with all nationalities I can only see more trouble ahead. Can you educate people to understand the benefits these students bring?

Chewbacca Mon 07-Aug-17 22:17:18

Interesting that many MPS are also landlords isn't it? Wonder how many of them will be willing to rent their proprties out to the homeless, next time they have a vacancy?

"According to Guardian research, almost a third of MPs are now letting out their houses or flats, with 196 declaring rental income on the official register of interests this year. The majority of those are earning more than £10,000 a year from the property, topping up their basic MP’s annual salary of £67,060.

The Conservative party has the highest number of landlord MPs at 128, meaning 39% of Tory MPs are landlords, compared with 26% of Scottish National party MPs and 22% from Labour."

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 22:21:04

"John Bibby, policy officer at the housing and homelessness charity Shelter, said: “It’s beyond unacceptable to see tenants being compared to rodents, and an especially grim irony when nearly one in nine private rented homes has recently had a pest problem.

“We’re amazed this advert was posted in the first place, and it should be taken down immediately. Between shelling out for colossal rents, being forced to live in flats crawling with mice or rats, and having the threat of eviction hanging over them, many renters have enough to deal with without this sort of rubbish.” "

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 22:21:59

And we pay for them to live in London, Chewbacca.
Perhaps MPs should have to recompense the taxpayer.

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 22:32:13

Maybe the MPs would be forced to sell their rental properties to their tenants, Venezuela style.

Chewbacca Mon 07-Aug-17 22:32:34

Dunno durham but there are currently 76 MPs, cross parties, who are either renting out other properties in London or are MPs for London constituencies and who are getting an extra income from being a landlord.

Wonder if they rent to under 35s? Or do you think that their rents are so high that only high earning professionals can afford their rents?

Anniebach Mon 07-Aug-17 22:37:26

Lady Nugee aka Emily Thornberry rents out three in London and lives in a fourth,

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 22:46:16

Not allowed to own a white van if Emily's your landlady.

Anniebach Mon 07-Aug-17 22:47:56

Or have the English flag in the window

Chewbacca Mon 07-Aug-17 22:52:33

All of the below MPs registered themselves as having received at least £10,000 per annum from their rental properties. Apologies for the huge post but I know how much we all dislike potentially dodgy url links, so I've copied it across:
Rushanara Ali
Adrian Bailey
Clive Betts
Lyn Brown
Chris Bryant
Andy Burnham
Ruth Cadbury
Ann Clwyd
Geraint Davies
Bill Esterson
Meg Hillier
David Lammy
Chris Leslie
Fiona Mactaggart
Madeleine Moon
Seema Malhotra
Steve McCabe
Alasdair McDonnell
Pat McFadden
Ian Murray
Joan Ryan
Andrew Smith
Mark Tami
Gareth Thomas
Emily Thornberry
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
Richard Arkless
Ian Blackford
Lisa Cameron
Calum Kerr
Angus Brendan MacNeil
Michelle Thomson
Douglas CarswellUKIP
Danny Kinahan
Norman Lamb
Danny Simpson
John BercowSpeaker
Nigel Adams
Peter Aldous
Victoria Atkins
John Baron
Richard Benyon
Jake Berry
James Berry
Bob Blackman
Victoria Borwick
Sir Peter Bottomley
Fiona Bruce
Robert Buckland
Alan Cairns
David Cameron
Alex Chalk
James Cleverly
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown
Geoffry Cox
Glyn Davies
Philip Davies
Richard Drax
James Duddridge
Sir Alan Duncan
Phillip Dunne
Jane Ellison
George Eustice
Liam Fox
Mike Freer
Richard Fuller
John Glen
James Gray
Chris Grayling
Dominic Grieve
Richard Harrington
Chris Heaton-Harris
Peter Heaton-Jones
George Hollingbery
Kevin Hollinrake
Jeremy Hunt
Nick Hurd
Stewart Jackson
Margot James
Sajid Javid
Bernard Jenkin
Joseph Johnson
Simon KirbyCons
Sir Greg Knight
Oliver Letwin
Brandon Lewis
Julian Lewis
Craig Mackinlay
Karl McCartney
Andrew Mitchell
Anne Marie Morris
David Morris
Robert Neill
Jesse Norman
David Nuttall
George Osborne
Owen Paterson
Mark Pawsey
Rebecca Pow
Jeremy Quinn
Jacob Rees-Mogg
Laurence Robertson
Antionette Sandback
Julian Smith
Royston Smith
Mark Spencer
John Stevenson
Rsihi Sunak
Derek Thomas
Maggie Throup
Edward Timpson
Anne-Marie Trevelyan
Keith Vaz
Theresa Villiers
Ben Wallace
David WarburtonCons
Craig WhittakerCons
Nadhim Zahawi

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:01:37

I think it really helps to see it as a long list like that. It's pretty shocking really.

Chewbacca Mon 07-Aug-17 23:06:05

It is a shocker, isn't it Primrose? I was a bit hesitant at posting such a long list but I hate having url links that you don't know the provenance of.

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 23:06:58

They certainly wouldn't have anyone on minimum wage living in them, Chewbacca. Minimum wage £15,600 a year, so not much left to live on.
Possibly not anyone under 35 as the top up of housing benefit would not leave them much to live on. How much does a room in a shared house cost in London?
£65.00 a week in Durham for housing benefit for the under 35s.

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:12:00

I bet there are more than that too Chewbacca
- joint owners, so their share is £9,999, therefore not on the list
-directors of property rental companies, they simply register it as a directorship or as a 'consultant', not as a landlord
And I haven't even thought about it properly yet.

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:13:57

Probably around £800 - £900 a month for a shared room or a flat share in a reasonable part of London dj.

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 23:19:46

This is Kevin Hollinrake's register of interests. He's MP for Thirsk and Malton.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25415/kevin_hollinrake/thirsk_and_malton#register

He must get a lot for his houses that he rents out; not that he needs it, as he still gets a salary that puts him in the top 10% from his estate agency.

I know the provenance of theyworkforyou.

maryeliza54 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:24:28

Can someone explain why Emily Thornberry is referred to by some posters as Lady Nugee? She has been an MP since 2005 and her husband was knighted only in 2014 ( when he became a High Court Judge) She has never used the title so I don't quite understand why she is mis-named. Am I missing a joke?

Chewbacca Mon 07-Aug-17 23:24:40

Some MPs have quite a large stake in property investment companies and some, as Primrose pointed out, co own their rental properties with their spouse and so will only be declaring 50% of the generated income. Some, I expect, declare nothing at all. It would be interesting to know if any of these MPs, who has an empty property, has offered it to any of the Grenfell Tower residents, or alternatively, to anyone who isn't on a high income.

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 23:25:08

£100-140 a week housing benefit for those living in inner London. Not enough to pay the rent.

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 23:27:20

They think they are being clever, Maryeliza.
I think May was made to apologise for calling her it in a similar way.

maryeliza54 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:30:14

I still don't understand durhamjen why would it be 'clever'? It's factually incorrect so how is that 'clever'? Isn't it rather the reverse?

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 23:47:25

Like I said, May had to apologise for calling her it.
She can call herself Lady Nugee if she wants to, as it's a courtesy title because her husband is Sir Nugee.
However, she does not call herself Lady nugee, so it's a sort of insult, really, saying she is not a person in her own right.

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:47:32

Jon Lansman has a huge property empire too - Luxembourg companies (to reduce tax I assume) ..... I wonder if he holds Momentum meetings in his £million flat at Shad Thames. It's beyond parody.

Primrose65 Mon 07-Aug-17 23:51:25

It's because she lives in a £4 million house and takes the mickey out of working class people on Twitter maryeliza whilst pretending to be a socialist. That's why I call her Lady Nugee. Not because I'm trying to say she's not a person in her own right, but because I think she's a prize hypocrite.

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 23:54:39

Does he? I've never heard that before.
Do you have any proof of that?

Chewbacca Tue 08-Aug-17 00:02:04

From The Spectator "John Lansman is a veteran Bennite, but his many company directorships are registered to a million-pound riverside apartment at Shad Thames, described by estate agents as ‘spectacular’".