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A divided society-what can be done?

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trisher Wed 02-Aug-17 09:35:46

As Newcastle gets £500000 ot fight right wing extremism
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/right-wing-edl-newcastle-racism-13402419
there is also news that the cities 2 universities are still attracting EU students and there are increasing numbers of students from the Middle and Far East coming here. Will the money really help? And what can be done to mend a fractured society? When I see the EDL demonstrating and yelling in a city centre crowded with all nationalities I can only see more trouble ahead. Can you educate people to understand the benefits these students bring?

Chewbacca Tue 08-Aug-17 00:03:22

And this... "The Lansman family manage a complex web of at least 24 property companies, one of which is registered in Luxembourg, and hold assets well into the millions". Wasn't hard to find, it took me seconds.....

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Aug-17 00:04:52

I still don't get why calling her by a title she doesn't use helps to make the point. I don't know about her tweets - does she tweet a lot taking the mickey out of working class people? That would be awful but I don't think that living in a £4m house on its own means you can't be a socialist and that you are a hypocrite. So it's the regular tweets that are really the issue is it?

durhamjen Tue 08-Aug-17 00:28:57

That's not proof, Chewbacca. I've been looking at companies House and can find a property company in his brother's name.
I have also found a retraction from the Telegraph.

Chewbacca Tue 08-Aug-17 00:30:42

OK durham have it your own way, I can't be arsed.

MaizieD Tue 08-Aug-17 00:57:13

maryeliza
It's just a way of being bitchy about her.
She tweeted one picture of a house in Rochester while campaigning there. It had a big St George's cross flag draped over its frontage and a white van parked in the front garden. I forget her exact comment but it caused a fine uproar at the time with accusations flying about her elitism, contempt for the working class etc. etc. As you can see, from comments here people hate and despise her for it. I don't follow her on twitter but I doubt if she's ever tweeted anything similar since; we'd have heard about it.

It's a bloody thankless task to be a labour MP if you are anything other than acceptably working class.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Aug-17 01:05:40

Thanks Maizie - so just one tweet, even if somewhat ill-advised? Seems a bit harsh.

ninny Tue 08-Aug-17 07:51:12

Not harsh at all, she let her mask down and showed her true colours. She's a hypocrite.

gillybob Tue 08-Aug-17 07:55:16

I don't think pointing out someone's double standards is being bitchy at all . Of course any rich landlord/ landperson with a title in the conservative party is fair game.

Anniebach Tue 08-Aug-17 09:06:24

lady N is a hypocrite, just like Corbyn, add Lady Shami, McDonald and Abbott , that lot running the country?

petra Tue 08-Aug-17 09:33:19

Maryeliza54
You've never seen some of the childish names that durhamjen uses when referring to Teresa May or Jacob Rees Mogg ?

Anniebach Tue 08-Aug-17 09:42:39

Hypocrisy is the hall mark of the far left.

Criticise Blair for buying property, defend Lady Nugee for buying property.

Now we have Corbyn refusing to condemn the Venezuela president , his usual dodging the truth line as used when asked about his support for them IRA - violence on both sides is wrong. And not a pip from the far left here on Venezuela.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Aug-17 09:51:21

Well I wasn't taking sides here - I was genuinely puzzled about why she was called Lady Nugee. I think it's a pity that anyone resorts to calling a politician a silly or inappropriate name as part of a political discussion. As for double standards, both within and between political parties, surely that happens across the board - at least with the main parties. Or is it just the preserve of Labour ? This is a genuine question because surely one of the hallmarks of good political discussion is to be able to see your 'preferred party' clearly and dispassionately?

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Aug-17 09:53:16

And is it really fair for just one misjudgement to damn someone completely? How many politicians would survive that?

Anniebach Tue 08-Aug-17 09:55:55

How is it name calling to use Thornburys married surname?
Is a husbands surname silly or inappropriate?

trisher Tue 08-Aug-17 09:57:34

Emily Thornberry has 3 rental properties, Anniebach administers 10 rental properties but calls her a hypocrite-Kettle/pot/black isn't it?

trisher Tue 08-Aug-17 09:59:16

Women choose the name they use Annie it is the 21st century you know. It's not the 1900s and women stopped being their husband's possession long ago.

maryeliza54 Tue 08-Aug-17 10:00:23

What is silly and inappropriate IMO is calling someone by a name they don't use and never have. Surely it's possible to criticise her without doing that? Lots of women these days don't use their husband's surname - would you call Yvette Cooper Mrs Balls?

durhamjen Tue 08-Aug-17 10:15:41

Good example, maryeliza.
Those criticising Thornberry have never done that on here to my knowledge. They know it's a way of showing disrespect, however they like to tart it up.
Both my daughters in law use their own names rather than their married names.

Anniebach Tue 08-Aug-17 10:15:53

Like calling May , Maybot?

Jalima1108 Tue 08-Aug-17 10:17:08

Perhaps everyone on the political threads could take a pledge to call all politicians by their proper names?

So Emily Thornberry
Theresa May
Jacob Ree-Mogg
Jeremy Corbyn
John McDonnell
Boris Johnson
Etc

Instead of by their married names (unless preferred) or daft nicknames. If everyone does it no-one can grumble and posters could get on with discussing important issues like landlords and landladies and how much each party member owns.
The kind of debate without which the country could not function.

Or you can just ignore my post as so often happens and carry on.

Jalima
(That is my real name btw)

Anniebach Tue 08-Aug-17 10:18:32

Maryeliza, you did say - a silly inappropriate name

durhamjen Tue 08-Aug-17 10:19:16

Exactly, Annie. It's well known I do not respect May. But I do use the name May, which is what she uses.
If I really wanted to show disrespect for her I could choose to call her Brasierbot.

Anniebach Tue 08-Aug-17 10:23:21

Jen you often call her Maybot Fact

durhamjen Tue 08-Aug-17 10:23:23

Why do you criticise Emily Thornberry for having three properties to rent out - all shared - but you have ten rental properties that you 'administer', Annie?

gillybob Tue 08-Aug-17 10:26:44

Oh I could die laughing grin