A divided society-what can be done?

Here's one link

And another

No luck posting the links MaryE but no stress. I'll try and find what you mean on the interwebs.

Sorry maryeliza but you don't appear to have posted any links.

I'm at a loss I'm afraid. Nothing I can find that was on R4 today.

It was on World at One- I'm pretty rubbish at this - sorry

amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/08/alarming-rise-in-early-deaths-of-young-adults-in-the-north-of-england-study

I would think one of the most influential things on the disparity in the figures is the migration of the most qualified people from the North to the South. What is left in the North is the most vulnerable and the most damaged of the population, who have had deprived childhoods, have unhealthy life styles and indulge in risky activities. It also isn't unreasonable to link the deaths to the destruction of the coal industry. It's over 30 years ago and these young men would have been raised in the devastating years after the strike.

I remember now - the researcher said something about the most able and healthy migrating in the 80s

Blimey - is that what we are?

'The most vulnerable and the most damaged of the population, who have had deprived childhoods, have unhealthy life styles and indulge in risky activities.'

Any other Northerners who think that's a bit of a rubbish generalisation from trisher?

Perhaps she meant proportionately - either way the disparity in the figures I found quite shocking

It's a tough one. They say in the article that they don't know what the cause is. I think it's still correct that there are more smokers & higher obesity rates in the North of the UK compared to the South, so any 'health divide' is compounded by lifestyle choices. There are more hospital admittances for drug use too - Liverpool has 3 times as many per head as Islington (which is the highest in London). I'm sure that they cloud the statistics.
No one produces stats where lifestyle choice illness/drug use is excluded.
What I find very frustrating in the coverage is that people feel confident to say we have no idea on the cause but more money is the answer.

The north is poorer than the south overall and has been for a long time

Yup it's all the fault of us northern boozers and smokers

Ok I don't do geography.

Is Lincolnshire in the north, I don't know where the crossing point is of this north and south divide. Easier in Wales, we have north,mid and south ?

Look at the figures Ana Are you a young man between 25 and 44 I doubt in ? Perhaps it would be an idea to look at what is being discussed before you comment. I'd be delighted to know why you think the figures for deaths are almost 30% more in the North (where I actually live) than in the South
But rubbish a thoughtful post which is actually about the drain of a generation of young people from the North to the South
It's still going on maryeliza54 the lure of better paid jobs takes many of the best qualified south.

Just read the other posts - I'm more shocked by those than the article. Perhaps you need to move down South Ana !!!!!

Anniebach the radio said that the midlands were included in the figures for the north. I think Lincolnshire is classed as the midlands, but am not sure.

So the north is full of uneducated people trisher All the smart ones leave? I really don't believe you think that.

And arguably the young people who leave are those who will have healthier lifestyles, partly because of the opportunities they have been given and partly because having higher aspirations and better qualifications they are able to make better life choices.

From the article, it seems that in 2015, 29.3% more 25-34-year-olds died in the north than the south. For those aged 35-44, the number of deaths was almost 50% higher in the north than in the south in 2015.

I'm truly shocked by these figures. Whatever the reasons, we need to find out what they are and get to work on eliminating them.

It's only for England and apparently is divided roughly with a line from the Wash to the Severn Estuary. With statistics like this it's obvious it doesn't mean 'all' isn't it?

So is labour stronger in the north because those in the north are not as educated as those in the south ?

From personal experience I can tell you Primrose65 that most of the families I know have children who have moved away after university, that many of my children's friends are working in the South. That the young people I know with fewer qualifications and from poorer backgrounds tend to remain here. Of course it isn't everyone who complies with this idea but it must certainly be an important, if not the main, cause of the disparity in deaths.

jech.bmj.com/content/early/2017/07/14/jech-2017-209195.full.pdf

This is the best link - if it works
It's the article on the research published in the BMJ