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Jews and racism

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Anniebach Sun 20-Aug-17 13:19:35

In the news this morning - one in three Jews are considering leaving the U.k because of racism.

83% believe the Labour Party are not doing enough to support them

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 12:11:04

Does it matter that much whether he ate fish? Or meat? Or Kentucky fried chicken?

Jalima1108 Mon 21-Aug-17 12:11:49

I think it was a Macdonald's in fact.
Fillet 'O' Fish

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 12:11:57

It matters more that he said "This is the new covenant . . ." which did not include old hatreds.

Jalima1108 Mon 21-Aug-17 12:13:00

Christ asked his Father to forgive his enemies itellhim.

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 12:13:49

With bread, Jalima, sofor the faithful cutting out carbs as though they are an invention of the devil could be construed as sacrilege!

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 12:17:23

So I think it is time to go and eat my bread and my lettuce and my cold chicken (from the Tesco spatchcock piri-piri chicken I cooked yesterday. Delicious.)

Jalima1108 Mon 21-Aug-17 12:20:43

mmm, sounds lovely.
I am avoiding bread so it's low-fat cottage cheese and some salad today.
Boring.
But there is a glass of wine left from yesterday, I will save that for tonight.

Jalima1108 Mon 21-Aug-17 12:23:59

Christ was a Jew and died a Jew - he did not invent Christianity. Had he lived he would have remained a Jew.

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 12:40:17

He was an Essene.

nigglynellie Mon 21-Aug-17 12:42:09

I have no idea as to whether Christ was a vegetarian or not but like maddyone, I find the post about Jews murdering Christ absolutely disgusting. I find it hard to believe that somebody actually posted something so inflammatory and hateful. Why on earth you would think it, never mind print it is quite beyond me!

Ana Mon 21-Aug-17 12:44:39

What proof do you have of that?

Ana Mon 21-Aug-17 12:45:40

(to durhamjen)

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-17 12:46:47

Oh if only you could stop being so patronising .trisha

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 12:48:59

If we go into the theology, his death was predicted and necessary. I wonder whether illtelhim hates her all-powerful God for arranging that it would happen, as well as all Jews because some of them thousands of years ago were the instruments that brought it to reality? His words from the cross included "Father, forgive them" - if God was asked to forgive them, why is it thought by anyone to be STILL a reason to hate, to be more vindictive than God?

trisher Mon 21-Aug-17 12:50:21

Oh if only you could suggest actions and solutions instead of moaning Annie

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-17 12:51:17

If James was the blood brother of Christ wonder why when dying Christ appointed John to take care of .Mary , perhaps James was too busy growing his veg in his allotment grin

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-17 12:53:29

Oh why don't you pop over to .Israel and sort it all out Trisha , take Corbyn with you and do this country a favour , we don't want communism

GillT57 Mon 21-Aug-17 12:54:44

As Illtellhim has so crassly illustrated, there is a vast spread of belief in Chrsitianity, from devout Catholicism through to the Wee Free, so why should we expect all members of the Jewish faith to all have the same beliefs? I went to a school in a very Jewish area, and within my group of fellow students there were some very devout, kept dietary laws, etc., and others who described themselves as 'Jewish by race rather than religion' who would respect dietary laws in the presence of older member of their family, but would eat non-kosher, and the odd bacon sandwich as they wished. Nigella Lawson is Jewish (I think?) and doesn't seem to worry about what she eats. The point I am trying to make is, we should not be lumping all Jewish people together, any more than Christian or Islamic believers, so surely it is obvious that some will feel more uncomfortable than others? Some Muslims are presumably feeling the same discomfort, and it must be very uncomfortable to be Catholic in some parts of Northern Ireland. Nobody, irrespective of their religion, should feel unwelcome, and it is regrettable that a number of Jewish people do feel this way.

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-17 12:56:11

Excellent diversion from topic Trisha and Jen, but the vegetarian bit was rather over the top

Ana Mon 21-Aug-17 13:01:51

And I'm still waiting for a reply to my question about Christ being an Essene.

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 13:13:03

I think you will find that it has been suggested that he MAY have been an Essene, because of similarities between some of thgeir writings and some of his teachings. The country was occupied and demoralised, and a lot of prophets merged who said that it was all because of a decline in religion and morals and preached ways of getting back into God's good books, along with sedition about deposing Herod the puppet king.
Christ preached one version of that, but without the politics, advocating instead a kingdom of the heart. He was descended through both parents from the famous King David, so both his message annoyed the religious hierarchy and his lineage worried Herod. No wonder he was an irritant to be silenced.

Ana Mon 21-Aug-17 13:14:56

Please take note, durhamjen.

Anniebach Mon 21-Aug-17 13:23:00

Perhaps Jen read it on voxpox ?

Elegran Mon 21-Aug-17 13:23:59

The prophets and rebel groups emerged, not merged. Their messages varied from one to the other, so merging would have been anathema to them. In that A Life of Brian wasn't far out.
I said that Christ MAY have been an Essene, It would been more accurate to say that he may have been connected to them. I think the link was only speculative. The vegetarianism is even more speculative, dependent as it on his theoretical Essene membership.

petra Mon 21-Aug-17 13:34:01

The life of Brian wasn't far out
Spliters grin