Jews and racism

So Ishmael and Issac were Jewish and Muslim? I'm in a muddle here someone willing to dig me out please?

According to scriptures, the descendants of Ishmael eventually became the Arab/Muslim race.
The descendants of Isaac became the Jewish race.
And the Christians? Some say they're descended from Esau, the twin brother of Jacob, who was Isaac's son.
All claim to worship the same God.

Perhaps Wiki can help you ww or even Google.

tricia Fascinating stuff, I had no clue about this. It would make sense that Christian's are descended from Isaac.

Right I'm off to try to research Zionism now and will get back if I get stuck.

tricia thank you - you've been patient and informative.

They all seemed to live into extraordinary old age!! Abraham was 86 when he had Ishmael, who equally lived to be 187!!!! Sarah had Isaac when she was over 80, and Abraham 100!! and so it goes on !! Poetic licence? or miraculous indeed!!!!

I've started on Zionism what a minefield.

Good luck!!!

jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/labour-palestine-group-apologises-for-final-solution-tweet/

Labour Palestine group apologises for ‘final solution’ tweet. But they've said sorry.

Not sure they're up to the job of peacemaker between Israel and Palestine when this is the quality of their communication skills.

Harriet Harman on 'This Week' told an anti-semitic 'joke' which really angered Andrew Neil. Told 'as an example of something inappropriate', but I don't think anyone would consider a very offensive 'joke' about the Holocaust as anything else. I really don't understand her motivation for saying it. I'm surprised the BBC broadcast it.

I think her motivation was that she has so often been
criticised in the past for having no sense of humour, what she was trying to say was that maybe she wasn't laughing at some jokes because they just weren't funny.

There was a very interesting programme on tv i think last night discussing the balfour declaration letter. This was a personal letter, never debated in parliament, only 67 words long, saying in a nutshell that jews should be given a homeland in palestine, a final sentence was added which stated that the palestinian people should not lose out.

It never occurred to me that to mark the centenary of the Balfour declaration, Harriet Harman needs to explain that a 'joke' about putting 99 Jews in an ashtray is not funny. I think she has larger issues than 'no sense of humour'.

I just cannot believe that HH told that ‘joke’. Some things shouldn’t be said in that type of situation even to illustrate a point.

"Harriet Harman needs to explain that a 'joke' about putting 99 Jews in an ashtray is not funny. I think she has larger issues than 'no sense of humour'."

That's what she was saying though. That the joke was not funny.

Well imo Ilovecheese you don't need to tell it on live TV to illustrate anything. She's not naive, inexperienced on TV or intellectually challenged. She did tie it in on social media to promote her book released earlier this year though. Nicely done Harriet!

I agree Primrose I’m disappointed in her lack o& judgement

It was hardly the context in which to have an intellectual academic discussion - it was Andrew Neil

I suppose you are right really. It was just that I wanted to start liking her again, I stopped respecting her when she didn't vote against the benefit cap, and I wanted that to change.

The Bal four programme on BBC 2 was fascinating. Explains a lot.