The Truth Behind Traingate

If a man surrounds himself with those from a known communist background, is openly an admirer of communist leaders and holds up their communist rule as one to be copied in the UK, has been a long standing contributor to the communist Morning Star paper, has espoused the virtues of Communism/Marxism for all of his adult life and tenure as an MP, why on earth would it not be assumed he is totally happy to be called a Communist / Marxist?

I find it odd that those who deny any connection between Corbyn/McDonnell as Communists/ Marxists must presumably see being called a Communism/Marxist a 'dirty word', 'an insult' or something to deny any contact with.

Why?

If those who protest Corbyn /McDonnell are not Communist/Marxists what is it about Communism/Marxism that upsets you so?

I would have thought that those who indeed display an open support for Corbyn/McDonnell would naturally follow the beliefs of Corbyn and McDonnell. Furthermore follow in their footsteps and accept their beliefs, rhetoric, political Allies and allegiances .

It is bemusing to see such vehemently , proud Corbyn supporters distance themselves from Corbyn/McDonnell when it comes to the subject of Communism/Marxism. It's as if they fear being tarred with the label themselves yet respect it in Corbyn and McDonnell.

Graces gran, it appeared to me to be the gist of the Labour Party Manifesto.

I'm still waiting for the question raised by a couple of posters to be answered by the Corbyn faithful - why weren't their seats pre-booked?

POGS I share your concerns. And Corbyn had many links with the I RA.

Who put a photo of Corbyn on with a copy of the Sun under his arm? Wasn't it you, POGS?

" You need to read what you wrote about Mogg on the Mogg thread, Annie. You did not say he amuses you, you said you liked him. Quite different."

Splitting hairs as usual !

So when those who are saying because Aniiebach says she 'likes' Rees-Mogg (note not his politics as she has made clear if I am not. mistaken) she is deemed to be a Tory, cannot possibly be a Labour supporter. Correct?

So why then when those who accuse her being a 'closet Tory' in effect post ' they like ' Tory Ken Clark they are not accused of being a closet Tory?

If there is a principal to be upheld and not just the usual 'Do as I say not do as I do' brigade popping their heads up then explain to me what is the difference?

I have posted on many occasions I like Labour MP's such as Kate Hoey and Frank Field, am I therefore to be deemed as a Labour supporter?

I find it a dangerous situation when we all have to be brain washed into believing there is only one line of thought, one opinion to hold . Then again suppression of personal thought is held in high regard in some countries which follow a certain style of governance I suppose so maybe some quite like it.

It was so obvious in my opinion who had communist beliefs when discussing rehousing of the tower victim survivors. The 'let's take those empty houses owned by the wealthy ' was the first demand , no thought of the costs of court cases, appeals, length of time to convert the properties as well as costs of conversions . It was Corbyns first demand too. No thought given just 'let's take em'

Why should anyone on here know why their seats weren't prebooked.
As I said earlier, we had prebooked seats, but ended up finding elderly people sitting in our prebooked seats. My son didn't have the heart to ask these people to move, so stood from Durham to York, along with many other people who were standing in the doorways.
Having prebooked seats means nothing.

Shouldn't you rather be asking why there are never enough carriages on trains these days.

Durhamjen

" Who put a photo of Corbyn on with a copy of the Sun under his arm? Wasn't it you, POGS?"

NO IT WAS NOT !!!

You are not trying to make up stories are you durhamjen, that would be ' lying ' would it not.

Mind you there have been posters who have posted photos on GN or provided links to photos and stories that have been , shall I say politely, none factual haven't there . Oh blow it , Fake News, call it what it is.

Anyway as for Corbyn and the Sun newspaper I cannot remember the picture but I would have thought he would have been carrying a copy of the communist Morning Star. Especially as The Sun is the devils spawn to Corbyn and his loyal subjects. He must have been doing research.

Why is a picture of Corbyn carrying The Sun of any interest to this topic ?

I do like Rees-Mogg and he does amuse me , he has wit. I have always liked Ken Clarke . I have come to admire Theresa May the woman .

My hero in recent years has been Gordon Brown, and yes I know him and his wife. The Kinnocks have been friends for years , regret I never met Jo Cox who was also a friend of theirs, she worked for Glenys and they inspired her to become a. PM. And to really annoy and bore - I have a photograph of little me sitting on Jennie Lee's lap with Nye and my Grampa deep in discussion standing just behind the chair . We have many good, decent MP's in the Labour Party and it is these MP's who I hope will be able to take the party back to being the Labour Party but fear Corbyn and Co will destroy the party.

You nailed it there, POGS
I believe Corbyn has no strong beliefs. I think his raison d'etre is to agitate as he showed when he was a back bencher.

I have no idea if Corbyn reads the Sun but I know who he voted for in a programme called Love .Island because he said so

If it wasn't you, it was Baggs.
Sorry, just couldn't be bothered to look it up.
If you noticed, I was asking a question, not making up a story. But thanks for answering it.

Those of you who think Corbyn is a communist, surely him sitting on the floor of a train just like everyone else would support your theory.
I wonder what you would have said if he and his party of five had accepted seats in first class.

I would have said he should have taken the seats not chose to make such a wally of himself

Why is a picture of Corbyn carrying the Sun of any interest to this topic?
It's of as much interest as a mention of the Morning Star, I would have thought.
That's why I mentioned the Sun.
The Morning Star has absolutely no relevance to Traingate.

MPs are not supposed to use first class, Annie. I would expect you to know that, with all your knowledge of the workings of the house.

MP's should have the intelligence to book seats in advance

"never enough carriages on trains these days"

Rot! Total rot. Bilge, tripe, poppycock and twaddle.

Just saying.

"Never" is a strong word.

Where socialism has been tried it hasn't worked very well. That's not to say all ideas socialists have are bad ones but, you know... Venezuela. Bit of a cock up really. Has Corbyn recognised that yet?

Oh, sorry! I forgot. The cock up that is Venezuela at the moment is not its government's fault.

When was the last time you travelled on the East Coast mainline, Annie, and found your pre-booked seats taken?
Oh, I forgot, you don't know where anywhere in the North East is, so obviously have never travelled on it.

If you pre book your train seats you are at liberty to point this out to anyone else occupying them. I have myself been requested to move when occupying the wrong seat before I became savvy enough to pre book. The seats are clearly marked as reserved so anyone occupying them on the off chance must be aware that they may have to move. If you choose not to exercise your right then that's up to you. Pre booking does ensure a seat and would haves done so for Mr Corbyn and his entourage. Provided there were unreserved seats in first class and his party paid the extra fare, why would anyone mind?! Lots of people upgrade so what?! Better than sitting on the floor making a fool of yourself!

Ok let's deal with the "Why wouldn't he book tickets in advance?" question first. For the simple reason that politicians hold meetings and appointments that need some flexibility. They may get held up by press packs or other people wanting to talk to them. If you want to book a seat you have to specify which train you will be on, if you book an open ticket because you can't be 100% certain which train you will make why would you book a seat? if he had booked seats but not made the train he would have been accused of depriving people of seats
If you book a ticket and a seat for a particular train and miss it you pay extraordinarily high prices to travel.

This is a train I have used regularly both to and from Newcastle and to many of the places on the way. It is virtually impossible to get a seat on the train for the whole journey unless you arrive early and rush on and grab one. You certainly wouldn't get 5 seats together.
Isn't it interesting though that Virgin were prepared to offer First class seats to Mr Corbyn, but not to the other passengers sitting on the floor. Well done him for refusing. And at least some other passengers got an upgrade eventually because Virgin needed to seat him.

So much for his principles, then!

Blimey dj you should have asked people to move - you seem so resentful. It was only a 40-minute train ride - I'm sure your children are not traumatised by standing for all that time!
You should try the underground in the rush hour in London. Millions of people do that every single day.

I never have a problem with saying I am in the wrong, so let me work this out afresh

Corbyn and his party had pre booked seats but people who hadn't pre booked seats sat in Corbyns pre booked seats , Corbyn being a true communist chose to sit on the floor rather than ask the not pre booked people sitting in his pre booked seats would they mind moving from his pre booked seats . Clear as mud ..