Sovereignty and 'take back control'

Well done the Observer. They are so right. The Beeb has lost the idea of 'reporting' and gone all out for 'journalism'. I think it makes them feel they are superior beings but really it is the actual reporting of facts - sometimes horrifying - that is the most worthwhile.

Just enjoyed watching Nick Clegg on Marr.

Marr is now saying the Tories can go on for years, and years with this government. I think a quote from an article in the Economist which, at the beginning has the reporter in conversation with Labour members at the Shipley and District Social club planning the unseating of Philip Davies, sums it up for me.

When asked how long it [this government] will last, on Labour front-bencher replies: "Who knows? It's a bit like having a frail, elderly relative who you know is going to die."

Of course if we had a government that was actually governing Marrs statement would be more believable, but it is like a rabbit stuck in the glare of Brexit headlights and totally frozen with regard to anything else.

Nick Clegg said (on Andrew Marr this morning) that the Leave campaign promised utopia.

Next autumn, he says, when MPs vote on the final Brexit deal, each MP has to consider whether the deal offered meets up to the promises to constituents of trade agreements and £350 million a week for the NHS etc. If not they should vote against the Brexit deal. Leading to a second referendum perhaps?

Sounds simple and logical. Could it happen?

Why not, mostlyharmless? We should think positively.

I suspect in 100 years time there will be many thesis written on Britains period of insanity and the dissection of why it happened

See Mr. Darcy has jumped ship. Good for him!

It's got to be possible mostly. As people realise that there never was utopia - either by being out or being in - there will be a movement of opinion but guessing what the outcome of that will be - who knows?

Duel nationality whitewave so not leaving us completely.

Now who would you like to bump into if you were in Italy? Theresa May or Colin Firth?

Duel nationality

I hope that make you feel the superior being you obviously think you are Primrose.

Take a chill pill gg I thought you were making a joke about Mr Darcy and illustrated your pun.
Obviously not a play on words then.

Better not make any mistakes in your typing, Primrose.

I have just been reading a lot of tweets. Most of them say how dare May suggest we never felt part of Europe.

Others say it's good of her to adopt Labour's policy for transition, but she didn't have to go to Florence to say she agreed with Starmer.

Others say she has done what she said she would do and unite leavers and remainers, as both sides think she is clueless.

This is taking back control, is it?

By the way, primrose, you missed a full stop in your reply. I'll let you work out where it should be.

James Chapman tweeted

The government must publish its impact assessment on what will happen when/if we leave the single market , as it doesn't have a mandate to do so..

Perhaps someone will leak it?

Do you think they are reading gransnet, whitewave?

This is Barnier's statement. I like the penultimate sentence.

europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-17-3427_en.htm

He'd like May's representatives to let them know what on earth the speech meant.

no one knows. Least of all Davis for all his bluster.

Lots of UK citizens -particularly those living in EU as well as others - are writing to Barnier and Verhofstadt telling them that they do feel at home in Europe and basically that TM does not know what she is talking about and is not speaking for them.

Dictators always rewrite history. May would do well to remember that.

I am pleased about that, Welshwife. I wouldn't like them to have the wrong idea about us.
How many UK citizens has May spoken to, to make her get this impression, I wonder.
Boris only gave up his US citizenship when they started asking him for his taxes, so he will not have felt European.

Primrose
I liked your picture

So, am guessing Will Hutton is a Remoaner?

I liked your picture too Primrose cheered up my day no end!?

Witty caption, too.

I think Will Hutton is a realist.

Europe cannot agree any form of privileged British access to its markets – even if we agree to follow every EU rule although no longer shaping them – while simultaneously allowing Britain to strike trade deals with the Anglo-American and Bric economies, the only ones that can begin to compensate for what we are losing. Britain would become a funnel for those economies to access the EU on the same privileged terms and for Europe to funnel goods and services back. It would mark the end of the single market and customs union, make a mockery of the EU’s global trade relationships and render it purposeless. It cannot happen. Britain has to choose: Europe or the rest of the world.

maizie good intelligent article.