Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

Yes views change but why is this not accepted for all Posters?

Because some posters hold evidence that they can't wait to use against you Anniebach and others couldn't be arsed to keep notes (mental or otherwise) on every little comment anyone has ever made since the beginning of time.

Maryeliza Actually Day I think there's a huge difference between posting links to articles from wherever which you are at perfect liberty not to click on

The sheer volume of links is amazing. One wonders if there is a central bank of left wing resources to draw upon..

As whitewave might say 'mind stulifying' (although I think she meant 'stultifying')

When something stultifies you, it drains you of your energy, enthusiasm, or pleasure - rather like the incessant posting by Momentum supporters of links on the politics threads.

It's often done to stifle debate or to change the course of the conversation.

lemon; my tax band hasn't changed; it's just that I'm away from home and didn't know my tax band so I looked it up. I assumed I was band D (whereas some house in my street are C) because of the bedroom, which was built many years ago. It was just a shock to think that it could be assumed that I'm well off because of the house that I've lived in for 40 plus years. I guess it makes me sore that there was a high peak anti brexit day and Chris didn't support it (to my knowledge; he wasn't there). I don't know where I stand politically any more and am also upset that the Mayor of London is not allowed to speak at the party conference. Which isn't to say that I will not continue to support Labour but it is with reservations.

Day I think you are attributing far too much importance to certain links. The idea that a link is stultifying I really find puzzling - long detailed posts about who said what when on the other hand.....Personally I like to post a link which provides more information after I've given some information myself . That way it saves people reading it if they are not interested in the issue that I've flagged up. But either way, who cares? It's only a forum and if you don't like it....

Links = good

Long drawn out comments on who said what when = big yawn.

But as you say " it is only a forum"

I really enjoy your posts Tegan - they are always so refreshingly honest and open and, like many of us you can differentiate between general suppose for a party and thinking that means it's whole hearted support and you agree with everything that it says. That's one reason why I think the political threads get so tedious - people jump to ridiculous conclusions about you from one positive comment. We have a small number of parties in this country and it would be impossible for many of us to decide that one had all the answers and was always right. For me, it's about basic underlying philosophies and not actual policies which can blow with the wind

Yes views change but why is this not accepted for all Posters?

Because the comments of some who have changed their views add nothing to the discussion as it is so very, very repetitious and boring and a purely personal attack?

There you go again, Day6, saying there are Momentum supporters on here.
I actually do not know any and am not one myself, so who are you talking about?

I wasn't thinking of your posts GG

Tegan, I like Chris Williamson. However, just because he says that he thinks those on band D and above should pay more council tax doesn't mean it will happen.
It's just an idea to discuss, I think.
There's definitely a need to alter the system by bringing in a greater number of bands, but D seems far too low.

Yes Bsnd D is far too low to base changes on but I think that's the wrong direction of travel anyway. Council Tax is not related directly to ability to pay and all sorts of anomalies are thrown up which are beyond solution

Land value tax instead?

anniebach There is nothing wrong with changing your mind about whether you like or trust any politician - I felt optimistic about Tony Blair when he got in and was supportive of several of his initiatives. I started to change my mind when he championed the PFI arrangements. The final straw was the invasion of a country on a false pretext.

Changing your mind on the basis of a person's performance in office is one thing but to suddenly start criticising a person on the grounds of his political record, when you knew about that record, and had recently defended it, seems rather contrary:

"Anniebach Mon 17-Aug-15 10:50:28
I have no problem with Corbyn saying he had conversations with Hezbollah or Hamas or the IRA , talks are better than bombs , listening is better than bombs , The man is a pacifist. I doubt he exchanges Christmas cards or has cosy dinners with them. I have friends in the true sense of the word who are Tories , because they are friends it doesn't mean I share their values"

You originally said you had to be true to your socialist values by voting for Corbyn and you loudly criticised several of those who were openly critical or lukewarm about Corbyn, including Liz Kendall, Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper (whom you now support). You said it was wrong for people to equate the left wing with totalitarianism, communism - and now even fascism - and you derided several posters for comments made in that vein. Yet quite recently you made comparisons of those you judge to be "far left" with Hitler Youth.

What I think even stranger than changing your mind about Corbyn's political record and character, is the complete about-turn of your views on, amongst other things, unions. Having originally decried those who characterised unions as a negative and disruptive force, you then went on to make even more critical remarks about unions and their past record yourself.

I'm sorry if some people don't like old opinions being raked up but I feel the record needs putting straight.

By the way POGS, although I continued to vote for the Labour Party even when I disagreed with Blair (because I believe the party is more than just its leader), I had not been a member since 1979. I re-joined during Miliband's leadership - not Corbyn's.

According to the BBC online, the Independent and the Guardian, Sadiq Khan is going to speak at the Labour party conference.

So is Andy Burnham. He's speaking about homelessness, along with the metro mayor of Liverpool.

Eleothan , I didn't know he worked to get militants back into the party until proof was shown on Chanel 4 news, good grief if I had know earlier I would not have supported him.

Again you are twisting my posts, I support unions I do not support governments controlled by unions, see the difference ?

Er - why did the Labour Party come into being?

Not to run the country

Are you sure, Annie?

Can't be bothered with a return of the swarm, will not feed your need

See Rudd was the latest potential candidate for leader. They must be absolutely desperate. No wonder Maybot still wears the crown albeit slightly tilted to one side and likely to fall off at any minute.

I wasn't thinking of your posts GG

Ho, Ho, Ho. That would be funny err, if it was funny. Strangely, not everyone has changed their views as not everyone was so utterly entrenched and we all knew you were talking about you - you always do.

anniebach inspired by David Cameron?

Sadiq Khan and Andy Burnham didn't have a slot but there seems to have been a change of mind about it; am pleased to hear it! Maybe someone has been paying attention to my Facebook rants!! (can't beat a good rant....)