Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

Quite right Tegan2 tomorrow is another day.

Nasty sneer, Day6?

Don't you usually read the Times or the Telegraph? Or have I got you mixed up with someone else?

You obviously do have me mixed up with someone else durhamjen.

theconversation.com/theresa-may-in-florence-little-room-and-no-view-84534

Maybe you should read the conversation all the time, instead of the Guardian.
The comments are always quite sensible.

Andy Burnham not allowed to speak at conference also some of the shadow cabinet not allowed . Some MP's from centre left not going to conference , seems we will only hear from the far left , if we can be bothered to listen to them.

I've just posted on the other thread, but I think it ought to go on here.

Mogg is spitting tacks - I reckon the loons are spiking their guns and she will be gone if they get their way.

Who to replace?

Are they voting for Corbyn?

Not just Rees-Mogg, whitewave, or Rees-Moog, as he was called in this article.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-florence-speech-theresa-may-jacob-rees-mogg-conservative-tory-mps-eu-italy-a7962701.html

Why should anyone care if RM is 'spitting tacks'? He is a back bencher.
Mrs May's speech in Florence can't have pleased everybody, but was a good start, in my view.
So what RM thinks, or Robert Peston thinks, or the local taxi driver, hardly matters.

If we don't listen to or care about what other people say/believe/surmise, then what's the point of any of us being on here discussing things?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/brexit-cannot-continue-three-main-points-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-florence-speech-a7962426.html

Macron says May still has not clarified the three main points, so there will be no moving forward until she does.

Not done her homework properly.

There will undoubtedly be plans afoot by the loons - this is not what they planned. May and the moderates will need to gird their loins to fight off any rearguard action.

This is where there will be a severe danger of a cliff edge and why presumably the civil servants are making sure their backs are covered should a "Chilcott" type enquiry come about should it all fall apart and we spiral into a disaster.

It takes some believing that some - a minority (although you wouldn't think so with all the noise they make) are prepared to bring disaster to our shores simply to bring about a break with the EU.

Exactly, Tegan.
Strange to say that backbenchers don't count. They are the ones who put May where she is, and could just as easily remove her.

With the Labout party, it's all members who vote for the leader.
With the Tories, it's their MPs.
Strange that people don't realise that.

It would be more insightful and have more impact if the politicians and presenters we listened to on Brexit or anything else, actually had a major say in the matter, not those on the edge of things.

That's what Germany says, whitewave; just get on with it if you are going to jump anyway, and hurry up about it, so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Not sure what you mean lemon

Wasn't the reason May gave that 'big' speech yesterday to appease her backstabbers, or backbenchers if you prefer, whitewave?
Doesn't that mean they really are important?

Well I suppose so, but I'm not at all convinced it is what they wanted to hear. That is why Mogg and cohorts are so peeved.

The trouble is that this government is simply not up to it and so the frustration felt by Brussels and Remainers in the fact that nothing really positive or clarity about what we want post Brexit.

We know what the loons want, but one hopes that May etc have more intelligence than to place our country in such an impossible situation.

I mean, that constantly saying 'Rees Mogg is angry' (well he would be, wouldn't he?) Or Robert Peston says 'it looks like we won't get a deal' or Ken Clarke says this, that and the other, is all so much hot air.What matters is what the big players involved in the negotiations say, and even that changes all the time, particularly from the EU.
There are two more years to go, and then possibly another
two transition years.It's going to take time, and always was
going to, the EU moves in a snail like way.There will be much bargaining done by both sides in the next two years,
And we will all be worn out if we give credence to every mortal thing that is said, written and talked about by every tom dick or harry.

Oh I see lemon so you don't think a minority government is forced to listen to its bolshy back benchers?

That's exactly what France and Germany say, whitewave. No clearer what the UK wants - or should I say what May wants - after all that build up.

dj May doesn't know what she wants in all honesty - The Irish question is I think the biggest stumbling block as it's not just about trade, but also about peace and people's lives.

Trying to lump it with everything else as Davis keeps arguing for is the most stupid thing ever and something the DUP ought to be making clear that it isn't an option.

And, given that UKIP were instrumental in bringing about the referendum with only one (?) MP and a leader who was never an MP don't we have to pay attention to everyone, no matter how obscure they may be?

No,we don't.

Diversion