Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

I don't mind you pointing out where Corbyn stands over the EU.

I do mind -only a bit - that you seemed to assume that I and others didn't know, without any evidence to back up your assumption.

It is an ongoing debate as you must be clearly aware.

I do wish you would stop this nonsense about 'beloved leaders' - unless, of course you were brought up under Kim Jong-Il, which has to be a possibility as it is brought up so often. If that is the case you have my sympathy as we all know what damage can be done mentally - and for life - under such a regime.

Personally, I am not even a LP member. I listened to the LDs, I am listening to the LP conference and I will listen to the Tories and I will make up my mind where I vote in the future and if I offer any support but I am not so blind as those who attack on the grounds that what they don't agree with must be all bad. I don't think any party is either all good and nor am I going to agree with everything any party says. That's because I am an adult. Beloved Leader indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself when you think what people have suffered under the actual owner of that title.

Perhaps some people need reminding that the Labour party is not just one man.
Not those in the Labour party, as they already know. Not those who support Corbyn as they already know.
Just the others.

Petra are you ashamed of saying Beloved Leader????
Thought not.Where, oh where are some posters sense of humour gone?Or even sense of allowing others a different view?

Of course the LP is not just one man ( yet!) although I think that Momentum are working on it.

Iain McNicholl has just said that the Labour party has 570000 members, the largest number of any party in Europe.
Oh and they were singing Corbyn in the hall.

I have a sense of humour - it's just that I don't find many of theses comments humorous - bit pathetic and childish actually and very very unoriginal and hackneyed

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I'm sure we've all seen the North Koreans sing to their beloved leader: creepy, odd, and embarrassing.

Where, oh where are some posters sense of humour gone?Or even sense of allowing others a different view?

A phycologist once told me that accusing someone of not having a sense of humor was the sign of the bully. You see it in the playground and with men who beat their wives - the attempt to turn reason on its head.

As for not allowing you to have a point of view, I got the impression that Petra was doing that by telling others how they see Jeremy Corbyn. It's not what we have said - I certainly don't see him like that; she is forcing her picture or our views on the debate. So how about Petra and you allowing others to hold and discuss their point of view without the childish jibes?

I'd far rather support a party where policies are debated openly and opinions respected, than one where they say everyone is united but some members give speeches and release comments that prove they are not
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4914296/Boris-Johnson-draws-red-line-Brussels-regulations.html

Some people haven't got over the fact that Labour under JC was not completely trounced in the last election - you knew the one that was a total waste of tax payers money and in addition to that £140m cost a further £1.5bn in bribes. No wonder you're all still in a strop

Oh and I forgot, weakened the government at the very time it needed to be strong

Policies debated openly in the Labour Party? No longer,

The ballot for the contemporary issues priority ballot was:

Four subjects from each of the CLP section and the Trade Unions and Other Affiliates organisations section will be debated unless a subject area is selected in both sections when the subject area with the next highest ranking votes is added to the list to ensure eight resolutions are selected - four by each section.

In the CLP section the votes were:
Access and Education - 15,879
Learn Direct - 2,385
Growth and investment 6,807
Public sector pay - 12,333
Workers rights -13,486
NHS - 187,723
Social Care - 145,613
Grenfell Tower - 34,564
Housing - 187,716
Rail - 120,496
Brexit - 72,660
North Korea - 1,234
Ban Conversion Therapy - 4,080

Trades Unions and other affiliates organisations section:
Access to Education - 834
Learn Direct - 418
Growth and investment 1,964,438
Public sector pay - 1,983,385
Workers rights -1,965,824
NHS - 157,782
Social Care - 121,328
Grenfell Tower - 2,900,374
Housing - 159,273
Rail - 2,485
Brexit - 160,859
North Korea - 15,000
Ban Conversion Therapy - 15,000

Therefore the eight topics timetabled for debate are:
Grenfell Tower
Public sector pay
Workers rights
Growth and investment
NHS
Housing
Social Care
Rail

Brexit not seen as very important, then.
What it means is that they don't feel the need to debate it; they trust the front benchers.

Lots of cheering for the NHS vote.

Not important?
Leaving it to the front bench?
Have just seen the news, loads of Labour MP's and loads of
EU labour supporters out in force and angry with Corbyn about not having a vote on Brexit at Conference!

Maryeliza what on earth do you mean by saying 'No wonder you're still in a strop' has it escaped your noticed that Corbyn lost the election? In spite of his offering bags of goodies all round, and in spite of May's dreadful campaign.
Also, what do you mean by 'we' everybody on the forum who didn't vote for him, you don't mind alienating a lot of Gransnetters then.
Humourless left wingers abound on here.

Apparently it was Momentum who influenced Corbyn not to have a vote at Conference, you know, the Momentum that nobody knows anything about.

All for debate are Corbyns and McCluskies pet topics

Question asked on twitter:

"Does this mean the previous year's resolution, potentially backing a second referendum, stands?"

Have a look at GracesGran's list.
They were voted for by conference and by delegates who were sent by their CLPs.
They cannot be angry with Corbyn for it. They voted for the topics themselves.

Corbyn said today that what was voted for last year still stands. They can't vote for the same topics every year.

All voted for on the list are my pet topics, too.
They are pet topics of most of the labour delegates, too. Otherwise they wouldn't be up for discussion, would they?

Would anyone care to decide what should be taken off the list to allow for a debate on Brexit?