Walk away very quickly Theresa May. This is NOT ON. Blackmail or what?
How many of us knew that was the figure the EU demanded? Spite and greed...
From the Guardian. On Thursday morning, political allies of the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, confirmed that the EU wants the UK to agree to pay up to €100bn (£89.4bn) to settle the Brexit divorce bill.
89 BILLION........89 BILLION!!! Before Brussels will even consider a trade deal.
I see the Leaving the EU thread has been pulled because of personal insults.
We have to pull the plug on the EU because this is a divorce lawyers equivalent of pure spite and greed.
We will walk away with no deal and rightly so. Being held over a barrel by EU politicians is not on. We have made an a reasonable offer ...in billions, (£17b billion I believe) just to break away, before any trade deal is discussed. This is not acceptable to the greedy Brussels gravy train.
Now we are being held to ransom by Brussels,
No business man EVER would settle for a bad deal. No wonder talks have stalled.
Walk away very quickly Theresa May. This is blackmail.
WTO talks should begin asap. We will trade with the rest of the world. The EU is cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. Let it do so.
89 BILLION. It is beyond belief...That's what the EU wants just to settle the divorce bill before any trading agreement is reached. I would not want to do business with that firm of shysters.
No deal it is and rightly so. That is all we can consider in the face of EU spite and greed. Let's start afresh.
Don't want that for my grandchildren, either, varian, particularly as they are half EU anyway.
38 socialist MPs are members of the Labour Co-op party.
Co-operative is a good word. It means getting on with other people, not being insular, like Brexiteers are.
I agree with Day6. How anyone on the left of politics can approve of the elitist closed shop of wealth and privilege that is the gravy train of the EU is beyond me too. I would of thought it would have been a complete anathema to anyone on the left.
Do you agree with day6 nig over the domestic law? Only I am a bit puzzled as to what these laws are and unfortunately day hasn’t yet got back with a reply. She’s probably busy
How anyone on the right of politics can approve of the elitist closed shop of wealth and privilege that is the present government is beyond me.
Have you seen the net worth of the front bench?
Or is that just the politics of envy, as some of you say?
dj did you read the article which argued that the Tories are a party of wealth and no longer the party of business. I suspect that business is finding that out big time since the referendum
Yes, and that's why they can ignore parliament and the people.
A few posts back I thought that the description of theUK and the EU were the wrong way round!
The EU countries are far more successful than the UK at the moment with increased growth etc
Some good may come of the Brexiteers wanting the UK to crash out of the EU.
infacts.org/brextremists-attack-eu-talks-attack-party/
Labour will then hopefully be able to pick up the pieces.
If the EU had limited influence - to trade - it wouldn't be so worrying. There are rules and regulations now part of our everyday lives which were created in Brussels MaizieD.
No you can't wriggle out of it, Day6. You said
If even one law is made outside parliament, then that is a huge abuse of power. and included 'regulations and directives' in your definition of 'law'.
Unfortunately you can't trade with other countries without mutually agreed regulations of one sort or another.
So, no global trade on your terms. What a bleak prospect.
day any luck with the domestic law bit? Only I suspect you made an error when you declared that the EU meddles in our domestic law.
It is important to clarify these sort of statements only this is the sort of (error) that underpins the brextreemists argument, and I’m sure you would agree that accuracy is vital.
A lot of Brexiteers believe that human rights is an EU law, when in fact it’s a British law and we will still be bound by it after Brexit. It arose after the European Convention of Human Rights ( not connected to EU) after WW2 and the reaction to the holocaust. It has always been within the power of the UK to change this law. When you ask Brexiteers what EU law they,d like to change, many of them are unable to name one.
Without those laws relating to business, which ensure a level playing field we won’t be able to trade. These laws/regulations will of course extend as we try to join other trade blocks.
The EU as the biggest economic body in the world has the strength to dictate to other countries about what terms they are/not willing to trade under. The U.K. will not in a million years have that sort of clout and will have to accept less favourable terms.
I'd really like to know how Leavers feel when Remainers' responses to their posts say that it just cannot be done. E.g. Day6 wants every single law/regulation which applies to England (I'm assuming England as don't the Scottish & Welsh Assemblies have some law/regulatory powers?) to be passed by the UK parliament. Remainers point out that it would be impossible to trade with other countries in such circumstances. So what does Day6 (and other Leavers) think when she reads our responses? That we're lying? That we're misinformed? That we don't understand her point? Etc.
I'm asking because I sometimes feel absolute despair when I read Leaver's post that seems full of misinformation and try to counter it with fact. But Leavers very rarely offer us any fact. Is it that they don't want to convince us that we're wrong? Or is it just so boringly obvious that only idiots would need explanations? Or what?
I feel despair when a leaver asks a question, a remainer replies, and the same question is asked later in the thread. I honestly think that leavers ignore all factual evidence and base their beliefs on the lies that are shown for what they are - lies. I find it all bizarre.
Just like Gorka on the radio this morning. He was challenged with proven lies that Trump was guilty of, and yet he simply seemed to ignore what was being said and continued with his strange rhetoric.
We are in a very strange period, very 1984
He's a very scary-sounding man isn't he. Horrible. And rude to those interviewing him.
Indeed Whitewave the "case" for a hard Brexit seems to be put emotion. One of the most worrying thing about the notion that we can just flounce off without taking any responsibility for sorting out the mess that the Leave campaign has created is this: WTO rules cover goods. The majority of our exports are not goods - they are Services of various kinds. There are no rules to cover Services. And without agreed rules there is no framework for trading across borders. Such rules are very complex and would need many years to sort out.
On the basis of legal supremacy, the EU laws are above other laws in individual member countries. They act as the overall control of the legal systems in its member countries
Sources of EU Law and it's impact on the English Legal System.
And Remainers accept this.....
www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/european-law/sources-of-eu-law-and-its-impacts-to-english-legal-system-european-law-essay.php
A lot of Brexiteers believe that human rights is an EU law, when in fact it’s a British law and we will still be bound by it after Brexit.
How do you know that Leavers believe this suzied ???
I for one am appreciative of human rights legislation which has been in place for decades and will remain in place. That is only right and proper. Why would we ever dispense of it? I imagine most Leavers are aware too and have no problem with it.
Look at this page...
Post after post after sneering post by Remainers who make imperious and arrogant assumptions that Leavers know nothing.
The arrogance of some of the frequent posters on this forum is beyond belief.
There is no point challenging them or even debating with them.
They often have to talk to themselves in a pompous self-congratulatory manner, and no wonder.
Steer clear..I find it all very ugly.
Day 6 that is an essay by a law student and it contains at least one statement that would be disputed by many.
The English legal system refers to the legal system that regulates all the legal matters in the United Kingdom.
The Scots might not be happy about that!
day that simply isn’t correct.
The only time we defer to the ECJ are all matters to do with VAT and various other matters relating to business regulations. The ECJ has NO jurisdiction over our tax system, or domestic matters.
If the ECJ does indeed overrule our domestic law, please point me to an ECJ case where this has happened.
Do try not to personalise your posts as it degrades into a childish slinging match and gets us nowhere.
niggly I also wonder about that (19.20.18 post) and in fact we do know that Corbyn will be happy to leave the EU for that reason amongst others.
Leaving the EU has split all sorts of politics though, left wingers wanting to leave, left wingers wanting to Remain, in politics as within the general public, and vice versa.
whitewave you often say this ( please do not personalise your posts etc) when you often personalise your posts, certainly to me.? and in fact, Day6 hasn’t mentioned any
Particular poster, therefore has not personalised her posts at all.
I say it frequently because I believe it helps the debate, to keep it as objective as possible.
I am sorry if I my posts to you are personalised. Perhaps you would be so kind to point one out to me and I can understand exactly your point.
I am sure day is sufficiently mature without needing any assistance to understand my point.
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