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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

grumppa Fri 24-Nov-17 22:40:46

A dishonest and strident Brexit campaign and an incompetent and complacent Remain campaign: take your pick.

As a Remainer, I reserve the right to continue to affirm my opinions, as I would if I was a voter for a losing party at a general election (and I'm used to it), but I accept the popular vote. What worries me is the incompetence of our negotiators.

pollyperkins Fri 24-Nov-17 22:54:19

I'm sorry but I think just as many insults have been thrown at remainers (calling them remoaners or snowflakes for example)as the other way round. And I find t frustrating that just like D. Trump calling anything he doean't agree wth 'fake news', some Brexiteers call any atempt to discuss possible problems of leaving the EU 'scaremongering'. It's a very effective way of closing dawn any discussion.
I don't think most remainrs are hoping Brexit will be a disaster so they can say 'I told you so'. Rather, we hope we are wrong and things will work out ok. But the evidence suggests otherwise......
What a shame we can't discuss this matter without insults flying about!

lemongrove Fri 24-Nov-17 22:57:53

The insults are all one way on GN pollyperkins and always were.

Welshwife Fri 24-Nov-17 23:02:43

I think you are mistaken there lemon just read through a couple of threads with a critical eye.

MaizieD Fri 24-Nov-17 23:09:33

I'm glad you think it's all so hilarious, lemon.

Do you work on the principle that ignorance is bliss ?

suzied Fri 24-Nov-17 23:28:31

Lemon has managed to throw a good few insults around. Is that the one way?

durhamjen Fri 24-Nov-17 23:35:38

This whole thread started with insulting those who wanted to remain.

paddyann Sat 25-Nov-17 00:47:05

Project Fear? No,just being realistic .Mybe your not old enough to remember what the UK was like BEFORE the EU,sadly I am,and it was not in a good way.The sick man of europe ,the pound tied to the dollar for stability,I cant see any way "britain" will be successful without the support and back up of the rest of Europe .Especially with Tories in power.If I was 20 years younger I'd scoop up my kids and emigrate ..this will not be a good move .

loopyloo Sat 25-Nov-17 08:27:28

I am reminded about the fear that was generated when we moved into the new century. How computers would crash and planes fall out of the sky. It did not happen.
I think I will keep tending my allotment though and perhaps stock pile a bit of food.

durhamjen Sat 25-Nov-17 09:51:56

Paddyann, I was told yesterday that I ought to get a new passport, just in case I need to go to the EU quickly with my family.

Too many people don't want to be in the EU, but want all the benefits of the club, because they are British.
It doesn't work that way.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 25-Nov-17 09:52:12

I have to agree Paddyann. On another thread there is a perfectly reasonable conversation going on about the views of some when it comes to leaving the EU.

Start a thread with the title "I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well" call those who hold a different views to yours 'remoaners, and tell them they are wrong without real explanation while continuing to call them "Project Fear Remainers" and you will provoke people.

When those who are on the receiving end of the name calling get a little short with those who name-called from the start of the thread the original name callers really cannot complain.

Of course it's all childish and in the long run its a bit like sticking people with a blunt pin. It may irritate but it won't change anything. If people really think the views of others are wrong why set a thread up that will be bound to get them to put exactly those views forward again?

MaizieD Sat 25-Nov-17 10:15:18

I have read, loopyloo that a great many computer experts spent a large part of the 90s working very hard to eliminate the possibility of the 'Millenium Bug' striking. There wasn't quite the state of unpreparedness then that there appears to be now.

durhamjen Sat 25-Nov-17 10:26:22

Possibly because even the Brexiteers didn't expect to win, Maizie.
In some ways, I feel sorry for May having to sort out the mess. On the other hand, she didn't have to take on the job, did she?
It's so bad that every time you think of the mess that the will of the people have got us into, the only thing that comes to mind is, "What's the alternative?"
It's bad that even the Tory party have no decent alternative to Maybot sorting the country out. I bet she wishes she'd lost the last election.

lemongrove Sat 25-Nov-17 11:40:51

No insults anywhere from me suzied certainly not for the simple act of voting Remain, which is all Leavers got from the start on GN, told they were all thick etc.You should have seen the threads soon after the referendum! I was shocked by it.A democratic referendum, and such hatred expressed.

lemongrove Sat 25-Nov-17 11:42:49

I bet she didn’t durhamjen everybody in politics wants to be PM ( no matter what they say beforehand.)
I imagine Corbyn is deeply ambitious (now!)

durhamjen Sat 25-Nov-17 11:50:53

Being a knowall again, lemon.
Not all MPs want to be PM. I know some who want to be good constituency MPs, and that's it.
Maybe none you know of, but socialist MPs want to help their constituents.

whitewave Sat 25-Nov-17 11:51:03

Too bad the will of the people is ignored when it comes to the NHS.

In a fit of pique Hammond got the hump and reduced the money to be paid to the NHS.

What sort of people are responsible for governing us. Little people with brains to match.

durhamjen Sat 25-Nov-17 11:52:36

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205169

A petition to sign to ask for staying in the EU to be put on the vote at the end of the brexit process in the commons.

lemongrove Sat 25-Nov-17 11:55:32

tchgrin didn’t notice Corbyn turning down being Leader of the LP, and no more will he turn down being PM
nobody does, once they are sure they are in with a chance,
And it would be naive to think otherwise.

lemongrove Sat 25-Nov-17 11:57:03

Oh so that’s why Chancellors are careful about the money ( our money) they ‘get the hump’!

Luckygirl Sat 25-Nov-17 12:08:48

I am in almost the same position as Grumppa (*A dishonest and strident Brexit campaign and an incompetent and complacent Remain campaign: take your pick.*).A dishonest and strident Brexit campaign and an incompetent and complacent Remain campaign: take your pick.

But I voted leave on the basis of lengthy researches - but it was a close run thing for me.

I am equally frustrated by the incompetent negotiations process, exacerbated by a weak government who does not have a leg to stand on, and the folks in the EU know this. Not what we need when the EU is, quite understandably, determined to make sure that their response to Brexit does not "encourager les autres."

Luckygirl Sat 25-Nov-17 12:09:47

Don't know why that copy and paste appeared twice?!

durhamjen Sat 25-Nov-17 12:54:37

Lemon, the only reason May is PM is because others turned down the chance to be so.
Have you got such a short memory.
The other contestants backed out before the final vote.
Andrea Leadsom?
Boris Johnson?

berdie Sat 25-Nov-17 15:24:38

Durhamjen, your right, this happened a lot in industry, they don't want the job, but then they moan when you take the job on. I voted leave, and I am sure that this country will prosper, after we leave the EU. It may take some time and effort, but we will do it.

suzied Sat 25-Nov-17 15:31:19

I have never called anyone a thick racist but I have been called a sneering remoaner, entitled, snowflake, living in a metropolitan bubble etc, on here. I am sure there are plenty of insults around on social media on both sides- I dispute that it’s only one way.
You can’t deny that people who are dim or who are racist or who are both exist in this world though.

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