Gransnet forums

News & politics

I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

(1001 Posts)
Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-17 15:52:02

Trump would have been over here, shaking hands with the queen if it wasn't for e petitions.

Ha! I wonder if he'll be invited to The Wedding wink

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 16:05:39

I do hope not - or that he's sensible enough to have a prior engagement.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 16:46:02

ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/The-Brexit-Vote-Inflation-and-UK-Living-Standards-1.pdf

A long read, 17 page pdf. about how Brexit has affected UK living standards.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 20:06:37

Good post EUgrandma. So much of what I want to say.

Tegan2 Mon 27-Nov-17 20:39:59

Ditto.#StopBrexit....

lemongrove Mon 27-Nov-17 20:50:47

Nothing to do with e-petitions (Nazanin and Boris ) it was splashed all over the papers and radio and tv which was why Boris withdrew the remarks.

Nothing to do with e-petitions (Gove) the animal sentience thing is a lot of hot air ( we will have new laws in place for it)

E-petitions are a lazy way of protesting and don’t do any good at all, they just make the e-voter feel virtuous.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 20:56:19

Rubbish, lemon. 1.3 million votes were splashed all over the papers.
You obviously know and care nothing about animal sentience, either. In fact, it seems to me you only care about anything if it affects you and your family personally.

Some of us care about other things and like to show that we do.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 21:09:48

Tegan holding a referendum on the final brexit deal is to be debated next month. It has over 132,000 votes, and is still open.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 21:22:33

A good message here, on the new europeans website.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 21:27:40

Cards as well. Would anyone dare send the bottom right one?

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 21:30:05

When we leave the EU, do we have to stop believing in Santa?

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 21:48:08

Just had an email from change.org.
Six men are now free from prison in India because over 400,000 people like me cared enough to sign a petition to ask for them to be freed.

lemongrove Mon 27-Nov-17 21:51:26

More childish insults from you durhamjen you never disappoint on that score.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 21:52:59

This hasn't been mentioned on here yet.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cbi-survey-optimism-low-in-consumer-services-pmpsjxw2w

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 22:05:18

If we'd left it up to government and big business many more millions of bees would have died.
It's the millions of signatures on epetitions that have made everyone all over the world have a rethink.
Of course, when we leave the EU, we will have to write another law that stops use of neonicotinoids. Unless, of course, you don't mind all the bees being killed.

lemongrove Mon 27-Nov-17 22:07:39

......and the childishness continues.

lemongrove Mon 27-Nov-17 22:10:25

If you wish to believe in the ‘power’ of e-petitions that’s up to you.I just don’t!

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 22:16:18

It must have been very difficult for the families Jen. The six men were sent to prison by a lower court, told they were not guilty when the took it to a higher court and then immediately detained and sent back to prison by the lower court. They must have been on tenterhooks waiting to be able to believe in the news. I think there were 32 of them altogether. The six were the British members of the crew. It certainly makes you glad that, although no system is perfect we have ours.

Tegan2 Mon 27-Nov-17 22:23:53

Something similar happened to a friend of a friend. He was released but I think that other people involved were still detained. Wondering if it's the same case.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 22:23:56

I think it is perfectly reasonable to continue to believe in the reward of the good by the good that stretches around the world and is shared. Santa is just the opposite of xenophobic and nationalistic so retaining a belief in what he stands for seems a perfectly rational one to me - but it may not to leavers.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 22:25:22

I caught a bit about it while I was driving just after lunch Tegan - the families have got to know one another and seem to have been very supportive.

Tegan2 Mon 27-Nov-17 22:28:44

It was quite a shock when this person we knew to be totally honest was arrested in a foreign country; it just goes to show how easily things like this can happen.

Tegan2 Mon 27-Nov-17 22:31:10

Why are E petitions a lazy way of protesting? Doesn't everything happen on the internet these days? Better to protest in a 'lazy' way than not protest [or care] at all.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 22:32:32

One of the men is from Ashington, so there's been a lot about it on the local news. One man's sister is going out to India tomorrow, hoping to be there when he steps outside the prison gates. They feel he will not be free until he gets off the plane at Newcastle airport.

Personally, it made me feel very pleased to be thanked for signing a petition.
I also heard a message from Nazanin today, thanking everyone who supported her.
It's strange how I am often called the cynical one on here, usually by people who can't be bothered to put their name in support of anyone or anything.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 22:33:32

I think, Tegan, there were 29 arrested, but only six kept.

This discussion thread has reached a 1000 message limit, and so cannot accept new messages.
Start a new discussion