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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

durhamjen Sun 26-Nov-17 23:04:07

Jeremy Hunt has changed his mind about Brexit. He voted to remain but now wants to leave.
This is why.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/884646/Jeremy-Hunt-Theresa-May-Brexit-Tory-leader-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-Boris-Johnson-Prime-Minister

durhamjen Sun 26-Nov-17 23:05:13

I hope it happens before he sells off the NHS to his mates altogether.

durhamjen Sun 26-Nov-17 23:09:53

You missed this, as well, Day6.
How do you know anything about what the UK will be like after Brexit, when May won't tell anybody anything?
Do you have insider information?
Are you really Theresa Maybot herself?

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/884524/brexit-news-uk-latest-european-union-theresa-may-bill-money-secret-brussels-summit

There are some robotic responses from you.

MaizieD Sun 26-Nov-17 23:25:56

Wells Fargo:

Wells Fargo said there was no change in its international strategy. From London, the bank handles American corporate clients doing business in the UK as well as local companies that want to transact in the US.

The move into the new building on King William Street in 2018 will enable Wells Fargo to bring its 850 London staff, who are scattered in four locations across the City, into one location

Apart from buying a large new building and moving all its staff into it from dispersed locations I can't actually see what is particularly good about this. Their business is transatlantic and will not be particularly affected by Brexit; except, perhaps, that they are expecting more transatlantic business as a result of barriers to business in the EU. They are not creating new jobs and a possible increase in transatlantic business post Brexit is as speculative as anything Remainers have to say, if judged by your criteria.

And please stop throwing 'unemployment is down' in to your 'good news'. We all know that the employment figures include part time and zero hours jobs which do not provide a living wage. A more useful indicator would be rising wages but as that is not happening it just means that living standards are not rising for the 'just about managing'. For which 7 years of tory austerity is to blame, not the EU.

durhamjen Sun 26-Nov-17 23:31:49

Ben Chu wasn't afraid to put his name to this article in the Independent.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-british-economy-liam-fox-theresa-may-denial-hypocrisy-brexiteers-a8076476.html

durhamjen Sun 26-Nov-17 23:46:19

www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/world/europe/starmer-britain-brexit.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Feurope

You missed this from the New York Times.

suzied Mon 27-Nov-17 05:03:13

I don’t think Brexiters would be getting so excited if they to knew that government figures about how many more people are in employment a high % ( over 60%) of newly created jobs are low paid jobs taken by non UK nationals.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 07:57:28

Maizie I am still getting over the fact that you only have to work 1 hour in a week to be considered as employed. I imagine there are other ways these figures show people as employed which none of us would see as securely employed, or even employed in way you can live on the proceeds. That is a statistic I would like to know. What percentage of people are in employment that pays enough to live on?

There will certainly be people who can earn in an hour enough to live on for a week or whatever but they will be few and far between.

The government also cannot decide itself what 'employed' means. Having encouraged people to become self-employed and paid them working tax credit to keep them off the unemployment statistics. They are now stopping this if the floor of their earnings is not high enough. They want it both ways. Let us put you in our stats to show you are working but keep you out of the system that supports you in doing that. I think people will be writing about the role-out of UC for years to come, now, apparently to be matched by the role-out of the Apprenticeship Levy which has managed to more than halve the numbers of apprenticeships.

The trouble is that the Conservative government is basically run by pen-pushers, of whom May is the master pen-pusher. She wouldn't know leadership if it came up an bit her. They are the people we sent out to run the Empire not to win it. Pen pushers sadly controlled by the mega-rich.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 08:22:10

Do you want an exit from Brexit? Add your name to get the final say on the Brexit deal: www.libdems.org.uk/exit-brexit

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 08:23:30

Aren't May and Phil part of the mega-rich, or are they still just wannabes?

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 08:29:25

It doesn't stop her being a pen-pusher Jen, and a pen-pusher with a grudge against the EU too.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 08:50:53

14 e-mails this morning, and three of them are similar to that link, GracesGran.
The more signatures the better. They might eventually get the message, although May is rather stubborn on that front.

lemongrove Mon 27-Nov-17 09:46:51

You have a touching faith in e-petitions durhamjen

It’s no good Day6....... they want to be left to wallow in their misery, even if there is no misery.Allow them to, I say.
grin

trisher Mon 27-Nov-17 09:52:28

Signed thanks GGMk2. Head in the sand lemongrove!

lemongrove Mon 27-Nov-17 09:53:36

If you say so trisher grin

GracesGranMK2 Mon 27-Nov-17 10:01:59

I don't actually know what it will do Trisher, but I do think we need to get the message out there that it was not "the country" that voted to leave, only a little over half of it.

I also think that if there was to be a vote, either by us or in Parliament then more people would be prepared to say what they feel about what is actually happening as opposed to what we were told would happen.

trisher Mon 27-Nov-17 10:06:56

Of course increasing poverty, a dropping pound and people at the bottom of society struggling even more is a subject to grin about lemongrove. I suppose you view the situation in Ireland as equally amusing as we wave "goodbye" to the Good Friday Agreement.

EUgrandma Mon 27-Nov-17 13:45:37

I cannot believe I am seeing the same "express" etc quotes. Do the readers of the Mail, Sun etc not know that the owners are desperate to leave the EU and they are part of the few Elite, mega rich who financed brexit. I will listen to anyones argument if it is well researched. Did you know the Mail supported Hitler in the 30's, did you know how a great number of Germans were fooled by propaganda. Try reading about it and you will see the similarities. Have you heard about divide and conquer. Murdoch has aditted he hates the EU because they do not do what he tells them, whereas number 10 do. None of the people who have financed brexit live in the UK, or pay taxes. You know...... That money that pays for health, education, infrastructure etc etc. The EU are cracking down on all these offshore tax havens. Funnily the date we are leaving the EU. Any bells ringing yet. Also do not forget, we do not pay that famous figure of £350 million. Also the EU gives money to the poorest areas, and our government have already said that they will not be giving the equivalent once they have left. Some of the largest leave areas are now asking if they can have special treatment as they now realise they are very likely going to be worse off. And I keep hearing the "them and us" We are just as much the EU as Germany or France. An awful lot of EU rules have been brought forward by the UK. Also any country in the EU can block any ruling. Listen to that carefully....... Any country can block. So what rules have been forced on us. Every rule we have agreed. Also what rules don't tge leavers like? Clean beaches, clean enviroment, workers rights to leave, maternity pay etc etc. All rules which American corporate businesses hate, as it costs them money. I could go on and on. This is not project fear, this is project "history is repeating itself" We have had 70 years of peace. That in itself is priceless. I have been called the most awful things by the Admin of the leave EU site which I cannot repeat here. The best one is that I am a traitor. Our judges are called traitors if they do not do what they are told. Go and have a read about the young German people who were hung and beheaded as they spoke against Hitler. They were called traitors. A democracy ceases to be a democracy when we cannot be heard or cannot change our mind. If you want me to back the meddling from Russia, maybe it is not me who is the traitor.

suzied Mon 27-Nov-17 14:17:49

Well said EU grandma, but will fall on deaf ears of those that dislike "others", "them" or anyone who is "not like me".

GillT57 Mon 27-Nov-17 15:00:34

Well said eugrandma I can read the irritation and frustration in your post, exactly how I feel. I alternate between fear and anger over this fiasco and reading the irrational, and often nasty posts on here hasn't made me feel any better, the level of misunderstanding and deluded belief is terrifying.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-17 15:05:32

Hear, hear, EUgrandma.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 15:08:29

Well said, EUgrandma. That's been building up for a while.
I agree with everything you said.

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 15:18:39

I do have faith in e-petitons, lemon, because I know they work.
Do you think without an e-petition that Boris would have withdrawn what he said about Nazanin?
I know it's not over yet, but hardly anyone had heard of her until a few weeks ago. Now there are 1.3 million signatures, all people that Boris would want on his side if he is to keep his job.

Do you really think Gove would have bothered about animal sentience if it wasn't for e-petitions?

durhamjen Mon 27-Nov-17 15:20:36

Trump would have been over here, shaking hands with the queen if it wasn't for e petitions.

MaizieD Mon 27-Nov-17 15:50:46

Actually, EUgrandma's post leads us nicely to this question, posed on twitter today:

Tim Walker‏Verified account
@ThatTimWalker

Just out of interest, is there a leading Brextremist out there who is not paid by other leading Brextremists, is not gaining or has gained financially from Brexit or was before it started already very rich?

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