The Irish question

The whole point is that in normal times the DUP would be one voice amongst many, but this isn’t normal times, since Maybot chose to bribe the DUP with our cash. They have come back to bite her demanding more.

I am furious that the British PM was in effect called back to the U.K. from what was proving to be successful talks, with her tail between her legs by the rabble that is the DUP

The DUP represent the unacceptable face of Conservatism suzied. Their views are supported by some of the most influential if unknown MPs. They would prefer you not to know how they really think so present the acceptable face of Mrs May, but behind the scenes they still control things. It is the Conservative and Unionist Party you know.

Then I guess you will have to be furious then.

Very few on here seem to understand NI.

Are you happy that the British MP was stopped in her tracks by a tiny representative if the U.K. lemon

It so then you have a very skewed idea of democracy

Tiny but very important ww or do you not care at all about NI perhaps?

You have to understand all the history of ‘the troubles’ and realise there is more to this than merely politics.

As I studied the Irish question over a period of some years, I think I am sufficiently aware of the issues involved.

As an aside Foster’s constituency voted to remain.

Representative? I think not.

Foster does not have a mandate to speak for NI

Remain or Leave....makes no difference to how people in NI feel about being a full part of the UK, which is the heart of the matter.

I can't pretend to have personal experience of The Troubles lemongrove, but I can't see that the DUP and Arlene Foster represent fully the views of Northern Ireland.

They did win ten out of eighteen seats in NI election (is the voting mainly on religious affiliation?) but 55% voted Remain and DUP are strongly Brexit. They have failed to agree power sharing to enable them to form a government in NI.

Their lack of compromise means that there is a risk of The Troubles returning to NI.

No ww just studying what you call the Irish question, does not mean you understand the depth of feeling in NI.

“Depth of feeling” = hundreds of years of sectarianism, bigotry, intolerance, hatred. Should we be pandering to this?

Depth of feeling about being a full part of the UK.

They have failed to agree power sharing because Sinn Fein had a whole list of things it wouldn’t be possible for the DUP to agree (all) and Sinn Fein wouldn’t back down on.

I have relatives both sides of the border, and I can tell you, Ireland is a complicated place, there are no easy answers as some posters seem to think.

It is not only the DUP who seem to have power that outweighs their numbers. All through the process to carry out a vote, which only said we would leave, a small number of extreme Brexiteers have been allowed to have more power than TM ever needed to give them.

Anecdotal evidence from one family, on either or both sides of the border, will not necessarily give us better evidence that comes from someone who has studied the problem in depth. The issues of Ireland are so complex that throw away remarks drawn from relatives are hardly likely to help us get a view on the complexity of what is happening.

And arguably the DUP have an equal list of requirements that Sinn Fein could not agree to. Or possibly not. They are of course the inheritors of a power monopoly based on religious belief that had dominated NI politics and denied civil rights to catholics for hundreds of years. So who should have 'backed down'?

Who has given ‘throway remarks’ from family?
Merely studying in a dry academic way, Irish problems does not give great insight either!
trisher yes, to continue power sharing there will have to be some leeway by both sides, but it was the demands of Sinn Fein this time that proved too much.In the end, the DUP may prefer direct rule from Westminster.
There is always an element of bluff in these things by both sides.

The DUP would possibly prefer direct rule whilst their fellow conservatives are in power, be interesting to see what would happen with a Labour gov.

Depth of feeling about being part of the UK - based on sectarianism and intolerance - can’t be ignored.

Lemongrove : 'I have relatives both sides of the border, and I can tell you, Ireland is a complicated place, there are no easy answers as some posters seem to think.'

well I for one will agree with you here - which is why it is not a good idea to strir that nest of troubles in the way Brexit is doing now- for sure.

Maybe by London centric posters such as yourself suzied
Who don’t understand the first thing about NI.

jura it’s a delicate balancing act for the government.

Who says I don’t understand the first thing about NI? Am in the process of getting an Irish passport, Have relatives in Ireland, DD studied in Queens University Belfast for 3 years at time of troubles, DS worked in Dublin, lots of regular visits to both sides of border . You’re not the only one who has connections. Thank you.