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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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Tegan2 Wed 20-Dec-17 22:38:39

Because lies are the new truth sad.

durhamjen Wed 20-Dec-17 22:42:50

How the Tories could win the next election despite all the sleaze.

theconversation.com/voter-id-plans-could-disenfranchise-millions-89096

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Dec-17 22:51:34

I migh5 be worried about that if I thought the Government had the time and the competance to get the measure through. Ive now read that TM .had the report on Monday, didn’t like the conclusions so asked for a second opinion which agreed with the first - then today at PMQs she’s sat next to this lying sleazy scumbag laughing with him. She is a complete and utter disgrace with not a moral fibre in her whole body.

durhamjen Wed 20-Dec-17 23:01:57

She is not expected to replace him in the immediate future!
I wonder who she could replace him with?

durhamjen Wed 20-Dec-17 23:15:28

Some brilliant articles in this link - the year that women started taking control, having become fed up of being pushed around.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/best-writing-by-women-2017_us_5a37f219e4b0ff955ad54274?section=us_women

lemongrove Wed 20-Dec-17 23:23:19

Oh the moral outrage from a few on here!
He denies what Ms Maltby alleges and denies that porn on his office computer was put there by him.
He apologises if he made Ms Maltby feel uncomfortable ( for presumably making a pass at her.)
What he has to resign for is breaching the Ministerial conduct by misleading...presumably. For saying he didn’t know until recently about the computer porn, when in fact he had been told much earlier.
Green has been considered a dead weight for a long time, according to things I have read, he looks old and tired, and
has been very poor on things like QT (I remember saying on an old thread, about QT how useless he was.)
I can’t think he will be a great loss as a Minister, so Laura K is probably correct.

maryeliza54 Wed 20-Dec-17 23:28:15

Hahahahaha nice try lemon but complete fail. He is a liar a liar a liar - not misleading and inaccurate but lying lying lying repeatedly over the last few months. And TM has known he was lying and tried to keep him- she got a second opinion on the report she was handed on Monday in a desperate attempt to overturn it- wtf does that say about her judgement.

durhamjen Wed 20-Dec-17 23:48:26

And if Davis doesn't resign, the EU knows he's all bluff and bluster and never follows up on his threats.
They'll be able to run rings round him.

durhamjen Wed 20-Dec-17 23:49:35

Nothing wrong with moral outrage, lemon, when it's aimed at the right person.

lemongrove Wed 20-Dec-17 23:55:40

You appear to know an awful lot Maryeliza .......are you a fly on the wall in his office?
The word used on the tv news was ‘misleading’ which is why I used it.
I have no wish to either blacken or whiten his name, but either way I don’t think it’s a great loss to the Cabinet.
Btw Laura K is hardly a ‘plant’ by the Conservatives, I think she tells it as it is for both Parties.
What May needs is more energy in the Cabinet, and Green was hardly that!Even though Green Energy sounds good.
A joke! At this late hour as well.
moon

Tegan2 Thu 21-Dec-17 00:06:03

So it's ok for a high ranking member of the Conservative cabinet to be asked to resign because he was useless anyway...confused. Phew; I was getting worried then....

lemongrove Thu 21-Dec-17 00:08:54

It’s just a bonus Tegan

Day6 Thu 21-Dec-17 00:16:34

"but either way I don’t think it’s a great loss to the Cabinet."

No, nor I lemon TM had no choice. He had to go. he backed her and was a friend since University days I believe but if you blot your copybook you're out, and rightly so. TM needs her allies within the party to stand up and be counted. I don't recognise another Conservative MP that would have been able to take the strain as government leader having to deal almost solely with the enormous Brexit task since taking office. I commend her fortitude.

As for the list in the OP above, it's hardly a surprising post coming from a left winger. I can imagine an even longer list of worries if Corbyn were at the helm. The country would be in utter chaos as his far-left puppets manipulated him. <shudder>

Day6 Thu 21-Dec-17 00:18:23

puppet-*masters*, rather.

suzied Thu 21-Dec-17 05:33:48

If DDavis doesn’t resign it shows he’s a liar as well. Oops - we know that he is he said so himself. It’s funny how government apologists are saying “well, it’s ok as he wasn’t any good anyway”, that just about sums up this current bunch of tossers ( an accurate description in Green ‘s case)

whitewave Thu 21-Dec-17 07:37:30

I just love the way that the Tories jettison a minister who a month ago was highly regarded and seen as a steady ship. Now “he is no great loss to the cabinet” Difficult to take anything Tory supporters say seriously.

suzie grin

lemongrove Thu 21-Dec-17 07:38:43

I hope that Davis won’t resign, I think he was protesting about ‘trial by media’ with Green at the time.
suzied well, you would say that ( tossers) wouldn't you?
As would all left wing posters on here, it seems almost obligatory.
I agree Day6 in fact May is looking stronger now and more resilient than anybody thought.I hope she will replace Green with somebody younger and ‘keener’.

whitewave Thu 21-Dec-17 07:39:48

So that’s two liars - I think people are entitled to feel morally outraged don’t you?

lemongrove Thu 21-Dec-17 07:43:03

I have never said that Green was a great feather in the cap for the Government ww but in fact said the opposite, especially when he was on any tv debate.
If it had been Davis/Hammond/etc who had resigned it would be a different matter.

lemongrove Thu 21-Dec-17 07:48:39

I tend to save my outrage for much more serious crimes than ( in Greens case) not admitting he knew earlier that the police had found porn on his office computer, or that Davis said he would resign if Green was sacked and in the latter case, Davis didn’t know all the facts, as Green only admitted that he knew about it recently.
Green broke the Ministerial code and had to go, but in the grand scheme of things there are and have been far worse things going on in politics.

suzied Thu 21-Dec-17 07:53:26

Green should have concentrated on the job in hand....

suzied Thu 21-Dec-17 07:54:49

They would say that wouldn’t they.....
Reminiscent of one Mandy R. D.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 21-Dec-17 07:56:38

For someone who seemed to think she WAS the Government it seems as if she may be all that is left of her supporters the way things are going.

The wheel of fate - goes up and comes down. I can only imagine we will see even less of internal UK politics now as she will be even more snowed under by Brexit. So more starving and homeless, more breakdown of the NHS and more lack of Care. The incompetence of the Conservatives strikes again.

whitewave Thu 21-Dec-17 07:59:26

Good god! a minister on Today as I post talking about Poland, also been referred to the committee.

lemongrove Thu 21-Dec-17 08:01:32

suzied Mandy RD didn’t own copyright on that saying you know! grin and it is ever such a useful one.

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