Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

granny Loathsome is just as stupid as the rest of them. Before the referendum vote the U.K. was above France,since the referendum result it has slid below France.

What is worrying though is that there are a lot of comments that Carillion is the start of a Brexit economic slide and recession.

So would those who voted for Brexit still argue that real peoples jobs are worth it for this idea of sovereignty? Not much sovereignty if you are jobless and poorer as a result.

So she quotes Patrick Minford, who was one of the few economists to be a brexiteer.
Lots of other economists will say the opposite.
I love the idea of a Brexit stamp having the EU flag on it. It will probably be the first time the EU stars have been on a British stamp.
I think the designers might have made a mistake there.

"The sole economic modelling exercise showing material benefits for the UK from Brexit has been debunked as “doubly misleading”, further demolishing the argument that for Britain “no deal would be better than a bad deal” when it comes to the EU.

Work by the “Economists for Brexit” group, led by Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff Business School, before last year’s referendum suggested that if the UK left the EU without a trade deal and unilaterally dropped all tariff barriers on imports the country’s GDP could be boosted by 4 per cent relative to otherwise.

The finding, which contradicted all other studies which showed that Britain would be worse off due to leaving the EU, has been widely cited by hardline Brexiteers and even some business figures as evidence that the UK economy has little to lose if Britain fails to conclude a trade deal with the rest of the EU."

From the i in April 2017.

We now seem to have Government by reaction rather than one that is setting the agenda.

There is no agenda because they are so divided and so clueless.

"Andy Bradley is the managing director of Flora-tec, which is owed £800,000 by Carillion for landscaping services.

"The government actively encouraged businesses like mine... to get involved in public sector contracts, to make sure the little guy got a slice of the pie.

"When Carillion started to get into trouble last year we were considering that we would scale back our involvement with them.

"However... the government continued to give them billion-pound contract after billion-pound contract and that said to me, as a small supplier, that the government had done their due diligence.

"We were following the government lead... only to be given a sucker punch.

"I had to make 10 people redundant yesterday. That's 10 people with mortgages, car loans, all that stuff. It's an absolute disgrace." "

BBC business news.
I hope the government get into trouble over this. It certainly smacks of incompetence.

We always had sovereignty and we still have sovereignty. If we were so stupid as to leave the EU we would be relinquishing sovereignty and giving up any vestige of control of our future destiny.

As EU members we helped to determine European rules for trade and many other things. EU rule had to be ratified by our elected representatives. If we become outsiders, but still want any trade with the rest of Europe we must obey the rules without having any say in them - we will be a vassal state.

Let's stop that disaster from happening. Why should we become a second rate country just because the foreign billionaires and tax dodgers who control our right wing gutter press decided it would benefit them?

we will be a vassal state.

Unfortunately,, that's what brexiteers think we are now, a vassal state of the EU.

As much as I hate giving that awful man Farage more exposure- this is probably the first time a caller on LBC totally floored him- and demonstrated that the UK has not been a vassal state- but very much right on the front row for all EU decisions. And would continue to be if we remained. So many rules people are complaining about were NOT imposed by the EU, but a joint decision - or not rules at all, and we, the UK, made a choice (like the colour of our passports for a silly example). A great watch- Farage cuts off the caller when he realises he has no answer:

www.facebook.com/FemiSorry/videos/2469700583255402/

femi's a great guy

Do you follow him, jura?

theconversation.com/nationalising-britains-railways-is-the-only-way-to-fix-chronic-problems-heres-why-88591

I knew we were right about nationalising the railways.

New intake Tory Ben Bradley, has asked why the unemployed don’t get sterilised.

Shades of eugenics going on there.

He’s the Tories new face to attract the you g.

Nice one Maybot.

So parliament voted not to take in as part of the Repeal act the part that deals with human rights.

Whe is Femi - where has he sprung from? Such an erudite and knowledgeable man should have his own show!

(The swans that followed made the day a little better too)

Watching the news.

Does anyone else get the feeling that the country is sinking?

Yes.

Watching Maybot on PMQs doesn't make it feel any better either. She seems a women completely without any imagination when it comes to what happens to real people because of their policies.

I did think Chi Onwurah made some very good points on DP.

Her first point I picked up on that I agree with was that she felt that so many of our public services, our schools, our prisons, or hospitals should not be being delivered by the private sector because the profit motive does not lead to the best outcomes. She felt that public 'services' should be delivered, in the main, by the public sector.

She also described Carillion as a 'shell' company and said that the supply chain for delivering construction services to the public sector needs to be examined and investigated. She added that suppliers and contractors to the public sector, which includes public sector building of hospitals, roads, etc., should have sustainable business models and the supply chains should not be so long and broad leading to no actual control. The Labour Party argument is that there should be capacity within the public sector to manage these.

Her conclusion was that when it comes to the delivery of public services and to the management of public assets there needs to be the capacity within the public sector to do that directly.

I agree with that and would vote Labour if that is their policy.

Yes, whitewave, the Human Rights part is very worrying.

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/european-fundamental-rights-charter-to-be-excluded-in-the-eu-withdrawal-bill-including-protection-from-eugenic-policy/

Not sure if this has been posted before but very interesting:

Conflict of interest call for Esther McVey to be removed from DWP

Esther McVey, the new Work and Pensions Secretary, was a director of a company served with health and safety prohibition notices in the past – and this is problematic because it’s an area covered by the DW

This as well, GracesGran.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/more-180000-people-lost-disability-11856970

Another quote from potty mouth Ben Bradley

“Police should be encouraged to use more brutality”

I’m beginning to think that he’d be happier in a far right political group, or is this the way the Tory party is heading?

After all they are using Mr Potty mouth to attract the young voter

A lot of hand wringing at the state if our prisons.

But I see the dead hand of Grayling all over them.
He slashed the budget by £1bn, sacked a third of prison officers, and boasted of prison toughness. He then sat back and watched them degrade into filth and squalor.

I don't think that it is the way many of the Conservative party wants to go but it is the way a small, but large enough number of Tories, have been dragging it for years.

This guy certainly started with some very far right ideas as you say whitewave. I have no idea why we should believe he has changed. He is just more obvious to spot than, say, JRM.

They are excusing him for being young when he made those remarks. 22? He's not much older than that now.
Wasn't that the reasoning behing the Toby Young debacle?

Young and Bradley are prime examples of a certain type of Tory guaranteed at some point to be toe curlingly embarrassing. There are many examples.

I don't claim to know much about politics. Has the government , or some individual(s) committed a recognisable crime over Carillion?

Clearly some innocent people have suffered due to the negligence or downright corruption , of others.

If not, will there come a time when such a crime will exist?