Being right more important than what's right.

you could be talking about our dear House of Lords here

You could, and that ought to be scrapped.

However we arenot, we are in league with Brussels crooks with vested interests, to serve the big corporations (more money and power for both sides) and we were paying (in 20015) £17.8 billion - £350 million a week. Yes it's been broken down, because they kindly give us a small amount of that back.

UK taxpayers are subsidising those EU charlatans.

Well said Whitewave!

Paddyann - Merry christmas from a brain dead bigotted Brexiteer xx

We had nearly half of it back, Day6. You do exaggerate.

Get rid of the Tory government instead of supporting it and you will get rid of those with vested interests. Problem solved.

fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Day6 ??Thanks for that ( by Molly Cato) MEP

poeple saying it was a small majority BUT it was a MAJORITY those remainers who didn't vote do not have a say now they should have voted. we voted LEAVE, we need to get on with it and stop the euro lot ripping us off.

True, anyone who stayed in bed that day or couldn’t generally be bothered to vote doesn’t deserve to be considered.

It was a majority to leave and if it had been a majority in favour of Remain I doubt very much if they would be caring a hoot what anyone who voted to leave thought.

A lot of talk here about the campaign being badly fought on both sides, but I don't think it was Remainers who drove around in large red buses with grossly misleading slogans on the side and then feigning surprise that these were taken seriously. And I certainly remember Leavers saying that they would not sit down under a 48/52 vote yet now being indignant that Remainers are indignant. And I don't think it was Remainers who drew up the rules for this referendum without realising that a significant majority should have been specified for a decision either way to be binding on such a momentous issue But worse IMO is the way that Brexit is being allowed to drown every other problem, particularly homelessness, the social care crisis, underfunded education, tax evasion. What is it about this govt that they ignore all this?

I am going to use my one brain cell to say some comments are offensive. Everyone deserves their own opinion by name calling those who have different opinions to you is pointless and unconstructive. I voted to leave after careful consideration of the facts presented at the time which is all anyone could do. I want UK to Brexit but accept to appease retainers we will have to have another two years before we finally gain control of our laws, money and borders. My brain cell is tired now so I won't comment further on this thread.

And I ask again. What will a post Br exit Britain look like? Who will we trade with? What companies/jobs will replace all those lost when companies move out to the European union? Who will we blame for the mess? How will the racism be tackled?

Yes, it was a majority for Brexit, but it is both politic (with small 'p') when a majority is small and nearly as many voted against a proposition as voted for the victors to bear this in mind when putting the proposition into law. Remember roughly 17 million may have voted to get out of the EU but 16 million voted to remain.

Much of the rancour and in-fighting that has gone on since between the two parties has been because of the lack of respect shown by the successful party to the huge number who voted differently.

There is more to democracy than crude voting numbers. Democracy means those that are successful realising that, in imposing their policies, they must take into account he views of others who may be in a minority. This is why governments are so responsive to the views of minority communities when framing legislation in other areas. If 48% of voters are on the losing side its views need to be taken into account.

Yes, the vote was to leave the EU and that should go ahead, but the views and opinions of those who voted otherwise need to be taken into account because they are, at the end of the day, very nearly half the people who voted in the referendum.

There is no chance that political parties will work together, either to respect the views of remainders or leavers, but the EU is making the most of the maxim divide and rule used by Philip ll of Macedon, Julius Caesar and Napoleon.
We are divided, and they are ruling.
Whether you voted remain or leave, the worst deal we will get will be the responsibility of those in parliament or holding any sort of power, who play into the hands of the EU by spending vital time in infighting instead of supporting or coming up with sensible suggestions that all could agree on.
Naively I suppose, I am horrified by how much nastiness and spite was bubbling beneath the surface and has now erupted across the media and into sites like this, or facebook, families, ex friends and workplaces.

Good post adaunas

It wasn’t me that said ( invented) that phrase welshwife ( nothing is agreed until all is finally agreed) but what we keep hearing both from the EU negotiators and the government.

I am in favour of a Parliamentary sovereignty. I have no idea what the OP is in favour of except one vote she made sometime ago. The result of that election has already been moderated by the result of an election.

Just how toxic can this countries political discussion get when MPs, who behave in exactly the way they are supposed to, get death threats and the MSM equivalent to tarring and feathering by calling them traitors and putting their photos on the front page for all to do the same.

I know the pope used to be considered omnipotent - I didn't see the law that said that was how we had to view the 37% advisory vote on leaving the EU.

The result of that election referendum has already been moderated by the result of an election.

"Britons now back Remain over Leave by TEN POINTS in biggest lead since before referendum', says new poll in fresh blow to Brexit supporters following negotiation struggles"
Interesting poll
Published in the Sunday Mail. The comments on the Mail's website is not, what's the correct word for it, happy. No change there then.
Maybe the frothing at the mouth Brexiteers spewing hate and vitriol should focus their bile on sorting out the inequalities within our own dear UK which mean huge companies can fleece the taxpayer, austerity has hit the poor and disadvantaged but the wealthy can sit back in their country piles, we have plenty of our own unelected elites wielding power, our economy is down the pan thanks to successive governments destroying manufacturing and selling off utilities to foreign buyers. Not the fault of the EU, we did this all by ourselves. If ever see the golden dawn predicted by Brexiteers and gain the mythical £350m will it go to public services? We all know the answer is no. It will be in the back pocket of the wealthy elite Brexit tax avoiders and servicing the massive national debt. Sovereignty for whom exactly?

Sorry Paddyann but you yourself sound bigoted and intolerant. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and vote and labelling people ignorant and bigoted just because they don’t agree with you is intolerant in itself.

The problem is that no one had a plan for the outcome of the vote. David Cameron should have stayed on to sort out the mess he caused but is of course far too astute to do that!
Theresa May cannot win but has has the courage to stay and fight on. I may not agree with her all the time but ai can only admire her tenacity.

By the way, why can your children not take themselves somewhere that has a future? Look around there are problems everywhere not just here. At least we have a democracy and are free to say what we think.

At least we have a democracy and are free to say what we think.

Said without the least hint of irony Do people not realise that Brexit and the actions of the Brexiters are a really serious challenge to both of these?

And that we had both before the referendum?

It looks increasingly as though Leavers voted for poverty, and loss of democracy and freedom of speech.

I am sick to death of all this squabbling in Parliament. While this is going on we have more rough sleepers, food banks and the NHS problems. To much energy is spent with in house fighting and not enough on domestic i(if that is the right word) issues problems.

Lemon I realised you did not invent the phrase but it was said by one of the politicians.
Unfortunately some of those we have as a nation chosen to do deals for us are not aware of when they should speak out and when they should nod, smile and keep quiet!!

Not watched the news for a while myself. Pointless. Nothing but moaning.

Those that voted out have to accept that it a long process and it will be a long time before the country is sorted outgoing it alone. It will happen but maybe not in our or our kids lifetime.

Those who voted in have to accept that 52% was enough to win. Democracy won. Some are saying another vote shoudl be held but if thats the case everytime an election doesnt got the losers way then another should be held and another and another until the preferred part is in!!!

Its done and now we all have to move on and accept and make the most of it.

But that is what happens with elections. They are just held a few years apart.

Its done and now we all have to move on and accept and make the most of it.

And that is the undemocratic part of your post. We are not in any way obliged to 'move on'. We are democratically able to oppose and make clear our opposition.