Being right more important than what's right.

I voted in the first referendum for the Common Market. I still believe in this. I never voted for the EU and have never wanted it. The politicians took us down this path. I have more faith in the British judiciary system than that of the European courts. I see no reason why we cannot co-operate on all sorts of matters without being ruled by a 'big power'. The bigger things get, the more unmanageable and unanswerable they become.

Exactly Greengage I should think a lot of us feel that way.

I totally echo that Greengage and have nothing else to add.

Well, if we end up with WTO rules you're all going to have a big problem. Because, guess what? The WTO has a court system, too and it rules on trade disputes between countries.

Nothing else to add, niggly? Really?
That's good.

Its done and now we all have to move on and accept and make the most of it.

No, we don't. We have to ensure that what is done is the best for the whole country and the whole United Kingdom not just a small percentage ho want the most extreme outcome whatever it does to ALL of us. I will most certainly NOT move on and accept the views of such people.

ho who

Sick to death of all this squabbling in parliament?
Is that not what it's there for, except it's called debating.
It's democratic.

I voted in the first referendum for the Common Market

But we are not the future we are the past. Those who will be the future grew up with the EU and did not generally object to being in it. You have inflicted your views on those who still have a lot of living to do - much of it after we have gone.

All these objections to a democratic decision to exit is dreadful.

Why do people have such strong views based on so little knowledge? Parliament voted by majority to leave the EU - they agreed to filing Article 50. The recent debate was nothing to do with whether we leave or not - unless IN THE FUTURE Parliament changes it's mind we are leaving.

This debate was about procedure and about the sovereignty of Parliament - that is our democracy. Since we subordinated the monarchy it is and always has been Parliament that is sovereign, not the referendum voters, not Mrs May, not the brexiteers and not the government. This bill was to ensure it stayed that way and every single MP should have been voting for it if they were not putting themselves first.

These brave MPs were voting for our democracy.

And lots of them because they did not want any more migrants.
Tomorrow is International Migrants Day.

neweuropeans.net/event/2159/international-migrants-day

iamamigrant.org/without

GracesGranMK2 Just because the younger generations have grown up with the EU doesn't make it good. Hopefully I have the best part of 30 years still before me, and I don't intend not to vote for what I believe will be best for all.

Just because a majority of the older generation have been persuaded that the EU is so bad that we can have something better does not make that a truth either.

Someone looking forward to the best part of 30 years will, during that time, be supported by those whose opinion you have chosen to ignore. Why should they consider us if we have made them poorer?

All the people leading the rush to leave are from the far right. The sort of people who will tell you that you deserve your poverty should you ever be in that position and many other things that start to appear quite nasty as you get older - and more expensive to care for.

Having seen what the right can do to the Care and NHS systems so far I sincerely hope I do not live to see the next 20 to 30 years.

A lot of them couldn’t even be bothered to go and vote in the referendum.
We had to vote whichever way we considered best for the country regardless of age.
It wasn’t that the older generation were ‘pursuaded’ that being in the EU was bad, we knew that it was.

How did you get to 'know', lemon? Where did the infirmation come from that led to your judgement that the EU is bad?
I'm assuming that as you deny being 'persuaded' you have formed your view over a longer period so I'm curious as to what led you to form that view?
You told us recently that you don't read newspapers; which is interesting...

information

Lemon felt it in her bones, Maizie.

I'm trying to be respectful here, dj...

Oh, sorry.....

Well, this has pressed my buttons

Ian Duncan Smith says that 'UK businesses will have to get by with harder trade after Brexit'

What happened to the 'it's going to be so easy to make new and wonderful trade deals' that was promised by the Leave campaigners?

Apart from all those prescient Gnetters who always knew that it wasn't going to be easy but voted Leave all the same because they just knew that the EU was bad, how many people voted for getting by with 'harder trade'.

Twitter thread for those in my bubble

twitter.com/davidschneider/status/942698450201862145

I think the worst result of the whole Brexit referendum - whether you voted reaming or leave - is the way it seems to have given 'permission' to the most extreme in our society to crawl out from the dark places they have been lurking and give vent to their prejudice and hatred. And not necessarily the most extreme. I don't think I have ever heard or seen such unpleasant intolerant language directed at various groups in our country as I have in the last few months. I really don't recognise the UK any more

I heard that Maizie! What a that man is. All these right-wing Brexiteers are interest in is putting the working person back in the box they feel they belong in. All this for more difficult and less trade so fewer and worse paid jobs!!!

Tbh I think many of us were fearful of precisely this happening, as you only have to look at the brextremists to know that they are largely from the far right, and it doesn’t take a genius to know what their attitude is towards workers rights etc.

dj. Why is it you always have to be SO offensive whether to me, annie, lemon or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to your way of thinking? It's rude, at times offensive, and nearly always unkind.

Where have Jen been SO offensive niggly? I missed that bit.