Corbyns Inertia

I'd be thrilled if he was replaced lemon
But I think you knew that already!

I don't particularly care if he is replaced but I do wonder who would replace him. For many young people Corbyn is attractive because he speaks openly and honestly. For generations raised on trained politicians, briefed by spin doctors, advised about media contacts, polished by publicity agents he represents openness and honesty, and someone who really cares. Difficult then to find anyone in the Labour Party who would appeal to them.

I think Dennis Skinner would be considered a bit too old, trisher.

Forget ‘young’ people though trisher because they won’t be as young or impressionable in five years time.
Keir Starmer? He is still young enough to have the energy needed to do the job.Who else? The main problem will I suppose ,be getting support for him if Momentum are still heavily influencing votes.I think they are the main stumbling block.

Corbyn will be 73/74 at the next GE, too old IMHO

You really are scrapping the barrel primrose

How do you know that the tax was never repaid?

30 years ago Murphy did something he has public ally said that he regretted and has fought tax avoidance ever since.

How many Tories can say the same?

I admire his honesty, leaving himself open to comments from people such as yourself and undoubtedly others whilst they employ accountants to produce tax avoidance schemes for which they pay enormous sums.

He had to be honest, seeing that he was caught out though!

No you aren’t “caught out”for tax avoidance - it is legal in case you are confused lemon

The point is he was a big enough person to say he had made a mistake in following the route and would never do it again.

Richard Murphy is not universally admired btw.

Who is? With maturity comes the knowledge that we are all flawed and that we can enjoy hearing other people's views even if we don't agree with them.

ww, you seem to have changed your view on tax avoidance - "If what you are doing is morally wrong, it is absolutely no defence to say it is legal".

primrose No I haven’t changed my view- that is another barrel scrapping post.

Now I will repeat my reply to lemon and then my opinion of tax avoidance for your benefit.

tax avoidance is not illegal you cannot be “caught out”for tax avoidance

In my view and in Richard Murphy’s view
if what you are doing is morally wrong, it is no defence to say that it is legal

The first is fact, the second is opinion

Keir Starmer is too polished lemongrove These people are looking for authenticity. And it is wrong to dismiss them because they are young. They have grown up with PR, media and spin, they are not taken in by people who say what they think you want to hear. They want committment and beliefs. Arguable they are more savvy than our generation.

I know that you mean trisher but ‘authenticity’ doesn’t alone make a good PM.The fact that Starmer is polished should not go against him.He would, IMHO make a good Leader from what I have seen and read about him.
Having folksy charm and a rebellious nature (Corbyn) is not enough.
I do wonder if young 18-25 year olds are more savvy though, as many seem naive.

Keir Starmer is doing a great job doing what he is doing. That's how teams work - different strength and allowable weaknesses.

I agree lemon, Keir Starmer would be a good candidate. I think his Brexit stance would be an asset with younger voters as he is authentically a Remainer. Very popular with constituents and he understands that issues are international. For me, he's so much better than JC as he's outward looking, positive and global.
I think it will probably be Thornberry though. Sadly.

I think it is Corbyn currently.

I recall the question was asked of people who would vote for Corbyn.
So primrose and lemon must be two new recruits to the Labour party.
That's good.

Authenticity and Corbyn ? He is moulded by Momentum , nothing authentic about him ,

Two of many then Jen. The LP is outstripping every other party in members. I just wonder how the Conservatives will run the next election! You do need the foot soldiers, even in this technical age and bussing the small number of young people that they have round the country did not turn out to be much of a success did it.

What happened about the Tory election fraud?
It was on the news yesterday that a Ukipper had been given 6 months suspended for two years for electoral fraud.

Have you heard that Grant Shapps has asked for Tory membership numbers to be made public again, even if it embarrasses the government!

Corbyn is producing so much inertia that the Labour membership has grown to more than 550,000.

I wonder if he tried hard what the membership would be?

Greens have a membership of 55,000.
Nearly as many as the Tories.

The problem with such a low membership means that the Tory donors have a disproportionate level of control over policy. The membership tends to be on the extreme right, which is why we are seeing such daft policies, when and if they ever exist. But it is certainly being played out in Brexit.