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MaizieD Fri 22-Dec-17 13:50:52

£490 million wasted spent on changing the colour of our passports. Which we could have done at any time in the last 30 years. Burgundy wasn't obligatory; not every EU country has a burgundy passport.

How many more £millions is this futile Brexit exercise going to cost the UK?


www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-passports-go-back-iconic-11736353

Somewhat ironic that the new blue is very similar to the colour of the EU flag...

jura2 Mon 01-Jan-18 20:56:06

oh GG, are you saying the ship has definitely not sailed yes ;) ... sour lemons ;)

jura2 Mon 01-Jan-18 21:23:35

not that easy hey:

www.facebook.com/Ful

M0nica Mon 01-Jan-18 21:23:46

Have you seen the continuing reports that the Brexit Ministry under David Davis is a in a state of chaos? Over a hundred job vacancies, staff resigning in droves. His senior civil servant resigned in September
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-dexeu-david-davis-department-for-exiting-the-eu-vacancies-figures-ifg-turnover-a8123361.html.

He hasn't bothered to read any of the Brexit impact papers prepared by the few civil servants that remain.

Do those that supported Brexit realise they voted for a cause promulgated by a couple of bungling politicians who when promoted to senior departmental roles have failed abysmally and have made the UK a laughing stock by their shambolic antics in the Foreign Office and the obvious inability of the chief Brexit negotiator to master his brief.

jura2 Mon 01-Jan-18 21:25:12

sorry link didn't copy well

www.facebook.com/FullEnglishBrexit/videos/879570565550278/

GracesGranMK2 Mon 01-Jan-18 21:29:28

Jura - I don't actually know what you're saying I'm afraid. Lemons? Some reference to scurvy?

jura2 Mon 01-Jan-18 21:32:27

The Financial times, this bastion of extreme left wings policies- is warning of massive problems with customs and freight from UK - partly due to antiquated IT systems.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 01-Jan-18 21:40:51

Groan. No surprise really Jura but it's just another nasty coming out from under the stones that shows up not the EU but our government's total lack of competence.

jura2 Mon 01-Jan-18 21:43:10

Indeed- same for immigration, or colour of passports, and ... etc, etc, etc.

durhamjen Mon 01-Jan-18 22:42:45

Only 44% of dexeu employees wanting to leave over the next year.
Not enough to win a referendum, Monica.
Not sure if that included the ones who have already left, of course.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 01-Jan-18 23:01:25

And even more is the fact that we could have been registering EU citizens coming into the country from the beginning. The leavers love to blame the EU for this but it was always our government/s downright incompetence.

whitewave Tue 02-Jan-18 18:27:07

Report that Starmer is intending to force a vote over the government’s failure to guarantee fundamental rights post Brexit. Humans rights will as a result be severely compromised.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 20:16:54

Good. I hope that Tories don't back out of a vote this time.

whitewave Tue 02-Jan-18 20:18:28

Adonis has reported how the civil service is finding it impossible to deliver the sort of brexit that the loons want, but what the treasury has published are likely scenarios relating to different outcomes.

Calls are being made for these to be made public. I suspect that is why many of the loons are calling to simply bugger off, as they are coming to understand how impossible it all is.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 20:25:09

Brilliant, this. Who says we can't trade with other countries before we leave, or because of, the EU.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-partnership-sees-hadrians-wall-14100026

suzied Wed 03-Jan-18 07:19:10

Liam Fox is currently reported to be negotiating joining the TTP post-Brexit. This is a Pacific countries trading bloc, which the USA has left. Hey, why trade with Germany when you could trade with Mexico?

durhamjen Wed 03-Jan-18 09:43:49

Brexit predictions.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-03/the-year-that-makes-or-breaks-brexit

Guess which one I like.

durhamjen Wed 03-Jan-18 09:47:31

Particularly as Germany's economy is on the rise, suzie.
Why should we want easier trade with them?

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-03/german-unemployment-rate-drops-to-record-low-as-economy-booms

Jalima1108 Wed 03-Jan-18 10:08:32

I don't think that the TTP which includes Mexico is to be scoffed at even if America and Trump believe that to be the case.
Canada, Australia, Chile, New Zealand, Brunei, Singapore, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru and Vietnam.

Or does trading with with the EU and Germany exclude that opportunity?

You may know more than I do about it so I will wait to be corrected.

suzied Wed 03-Jan-18 10:11:23

We already trade with those countries, some of them via the EU. Nothing like a duplication of everything though.

Jalima1108 Wed 03-Jan-18 10:17:27

but we won't be able to trade with them via the EU hmm
and Trump has his own agenda re Mexico.

MaizieD Wed 03-Jan-18 10:41:29

TTP was a very nasty plan which included giving corporations power to challenge governments, in secret courts, over any decisions they might make which affected the profitability of the corporation. In effect, it diminished national sovereignty. Trade agreements are fine but a trade agreement which prioritises the interests of global corporations over national interests are not at all desireable.

Welshwife Wed 03-Jan-18 10:44:06

What I find amazing is that any Govt would set up or agree to any such form of trade deal.

MaizieD Wed 03-Jan-18 10:57:17

I have to confess that the EU were ready to run with it...

MaizieD Wed 03-Jan-18 10:57:50

and that CETA is no better...

MaizieD Wed 03-Jan-18 11:04:24

Funnily enough I have just received an email from a campaign group on this very topic. An example of how the 'agreement' works:

What does this threat look like in reality? In Germany, an energy company used the system to challenge protections for a river against pollution. Germany lowered environmental standards. The Italian government decided to protect people and the environment against oil spillages. Now Rockhopper, an oil corporation, is demanding 30 million euros in compensation. [2]

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