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Iam64 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:19:36

The situation we're in this week with the NHS, cancelled operations, frail and ill patients sitting in queues of ambulances outside A and E, etc etc.
The health secretary and PM are insisting they planned well for these pressures. Every doctor/nurse Ive heard interviewed is saying the situation is desperate and that the issue is lack of resources.
Local Authorities funds have been devastated so patients who could be discharged home if social care was available remain in hospital. People stay on trollies in A and E rather than being discharged because there isn't a Consultant available to confirm they ca go home.
Does anyone have a sensible suggestion about how this situation can be improved. I don't see how it can improve without more money, we need to train and support our medical staff.

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 14-Jan-18 01:56:23

I honestly think Branson is an opportunistic serial entrepreneur. He sees an opportunity and takes it. He makes it successful and then sells most of the business. Then he starts again, but each time he's got more contacts than before. As we know, it's not what you know, it's who you know. You could also call him a modern day carpetbagger. Plus he's always said he's not interested in playing by the rules, just getting the job done. Trouble is I can't help but like him.

durhamjen Sun 14-Jan-18 08:58:54

I dislike him because he takes profit from the NHS and doesn't pay taxes on it.

durhamjen Sun 14-Jan-18 09:34:41

This is interesting, how Brexit will affect the NHS and care services.

www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/articles/brexit-implications-health-social-care

MaizieD Sun 14-Jan-18 10:52:16

Thanks for the link about Jeremy Hunt WilmaK.

Did you come across it by chance or do you follow that blog?

(I ask because the blogger's views seem to be 'interesting' hmm)

Nepotism's Latin root is the word for 'nephew' rather than 'cousin'.

Jalima1108 Sun 14-Jan-18 11:03:50

I'm a bit puzzled, though, trying to work out the family connection - not cousins but Virginia Bottomley seems to be a niece of Jeremy Hunt's aunt by marriage? iyswim?

Bridgeit Sun 14-Jan-18 13:25:33

They just can't help themselves Lemongrove. There is nothing worse than those who are blinkered to their own deficiencies, but are always waiting to jump on the wording & delivery of other posters They conveniently & deliberately ignore the content, opinion or point of a particular post & instead stoop to petty criticism,AS I have said before it is an Opinions site, we were not asked to pass an ' I'm holier than you exam ' nor take an English grammar test !

maryeliza54 Sun 14-Jan-18 13:53:53

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It’s much more than an opinions site - the above is from GN itself!

MaizieD Sun 14-Jan-18 14:32:24

Bot sure quite where to put this, but as it's about the NHS it had better go here.

But whenever I see this fact quoted on social media I do wonder why so many Leavers blamed immigrants for shortage of hospital beds.

The total no of NHS hosptl beds in England has more than halved over past 30 years, from ~299,000 to 142,000, while the number of patients has increased significantly.

See thread for details

twitter.com/DancingTheMind/status/952535863568883712

maryeliza54 Sun 14-Jan-18 14:47:25

Oh come on Maizie don’t pollute a thread with facts, all we want is opinions ???

Jalima1108 Sun 14-Jan-18 15:04:38

"a new dawn in grey power."
Well, I am not grey yet so better sign off.

OldMeg Sun 14-Jan-18 15:26:14

I think that quote was based on the report by the Kingsfund Maisie.

Here is part of a report from the BMA just 11 months ago

“Dr Mark Porter, BMA council chair, said:

“The UK already has the second lowest number of hospital beds per head in Europe and these figures paint an even bleaker picture of an NHS that is at breaking point. High bed occupancy is a symptom of wider pressure and demand on an overstretched and underfunded system. It causes delays in admissions, operations being cancelled and patients being unfairly and sometimes repeatedly let down. The delays that vulnerable patients are facing, particularly those with mental health issues, have almost become the norm and this is unacceptable.

"Failures within the social care system are also having a considerable knock-on effect on an already stretched and underfunded NHS. When social care isn’t available, patients experience delays in moving from hospital to appropriate social care settings which damages patient care and places a significant strain on the NHS.

“In the short term we need to see bed plans that are workable and focused on the quality of care and patient experiences, rather than financial targets. But in the long term we need politicians to take their heads of out the sand and provide a sustainable solution to the funding and capacity challenges that are overwhelming the health service.”

durhamjen Sun 14-Jan-18 16:15:34

www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers

The whole report. It must be true.

durhamjen Sun 14-Jan-18 19:25:14

publicmatters.org.uk/2018/01/13/a-maths-problem-to-solve-44-x-aco-does-not-1-x-nhs/

Lots of groups trying to stop ACOs and the Americanisation/privatisation of the NHSE.

Alexa Sun 14-Jan-18 20:28:01

The Conservatives are deliberately running down the NHS so they can privatise bits of it for investors without blame.

The Conservatives are doing the same strategy with schools and universities.

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 14-Jan-18 22:58:28

MazieD no, I don't follow the blog. I was just searching Google for some explanation of why Hunt was allowed to say 'no' to TM.

Jalima from what I can gather, Virginia Bottomley is a cousin by marriage.

Hunt also has another interesting relative – a cousin by marriage. Admiral Sir John had an elder brother, Roland Colin Charles Hunt, who married Hilda Pauline Garnett, sister of one W. John Garnett. WJG had a daughter called Virginia Hilda Brunette Maxwell Garnett – the maiden name of Virginia Bottomley.

Pretty tenuous maybe BUT, when Jeremy Hunt was first elected to Parliament, guess who was the previous MP? wink

Virginia Bottomley is also related to Tristram Hunt BTW.

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 14-Jan-18 23:05:00

Virginia Bottomley and her family are very well connected and she's one of London's top headhunters. I'm not surprised at how many public figures are related to her because that's her family's background. She's quite an admirable woman IMHO.

Jalima1108 Sun 14-Jan-18 23:20:54

Yes, very tenuous - I have never called such vaguely-connected-by marriage-relations 'cousins'.

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 14-Jan-18 23:40:36

Me neither. I have enough trouble working out who my second cousins are and I only have a small family! grin

Still, I know I don't have useful connections in my family that I could call on. Actually, that's not strictly true. Three out of my aunts by blood were nurses and they were useful! grin

durhamjen Mon 15-Jan-18 17:30:16

fullfact.org/blog/2018/jan/corrections-jeremy-hunt-vs-ralf-little/

Can't find the source of some of Hunt's statistics.

durhamjen Mon 15-Jan-18 18:42:43

theconversation.com/shortage-of-nurses-in-uk-is-affecting-patient-care-and-threatening-lives-89734

durhamjen Wed 17-Jan-18 09:33:56

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-42705857/i-m-really-sad-i-can-t-be-an-nhs-nurse

Lots of interviews on here with NHS staff, showing how they feel about their work.

Morgana Wed 17-Jan-18 17:49:55

I get really cross when they interview Hunt on T.V and never challenge the false facts he quotes. Why don't the interviewers do their homework? Today I went into London on the Tube and there were posters advising people that they could see a doctor within 24 hours. How can this be?

durhamjen Wed 17-Jan-18 19:20:06

It's probably a private company.

www.londondoctorsclinic.co.uk/about/about-us/

Did it say NHS or GP?

durhamjen Wed 17-Jan-18 21:21:47

A very powerful video on the NHS tonight, by the Labour party.

NfkDumpling Thu 18-Jan-18 07:12:43

Perhaps they can see a doctor within 24 hours. In London. Its a different country.