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Iam64 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:19:36

The situation we're in this week with the NHS, cancelled operations, frail and ill patients sitting in queues of ambulances outside A and E, etc etc.
The health secretary and PM are insisting they planned well for these pressures. Every doctor/nurse Ive heard interviewed is saying the situation is desperate and that the issue is lack of resources.
Local Authorities funds have been devastated so patients who could be discharged home if social care was available remain in hospital. People stay on trollies in A and E rather than being discharged because there isn't a Consultant available to confirm they ca go home.
Does anyone have a sensible suggestion about how this situation can be improved. I don't see how it can improve without more money, we need to train and support our medical staff.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 16:37:23

I said perhaps, lemon. That's not an order, just a suggestion, so that people can understand you better.

You do know why people recognised who you were, right from the start, and you admitted your style hadn't changed.
Perhaps it should.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 16:55:22

Look to your own style (just a suggestion!) which is and always has been,a mix of second hand comments borrowed from bloggers, links, and cut and paste jobs which you present as your own words by not quoting the source.

durhamjen Sat 13-Jan-18 17:00:35

That's what an order looks like, lemon.
Just so you know.

All my own words.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-Jan-18 17:03:47

Both my posts were relevant Lemons, whoever's post you were answering. Never mind; I have lost interest now.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 17:06:55

Irony is wasted on you durhamjen I see.

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 17:07:45

Back to the NHS perhaps....

Chewbacca Sat 13-Jan-18 17:13:10

Perhaps you need to sort your thoughts out, lemon, so they all go in the same post instead of
three or four at a time.

Says the person who often posts 5/6/7 consecutive posts, without interruption, all on the same thread? confused

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 13-Jan-18 17:39:49

Primrose were the links what you were looking for? smile

GracesGran passing exams is not a sign of intelligence. It might be, but it's also quite possible it's a sign of the being able to remember facts, or the pupil was taught nothing but exam subjects, or the teacher chose the easiest exam boards, or the pupil studied the subjects longer than the standard time or simply being good at tests. I could go on. Many people have said they passed exams by cramming the night before or are good at regurgitating. These are just some of the reasons why the current exam qualification systems are being replaced.

Not every intelligent person is academic. BTW Jeremy Corbyn didn't go to university, but he did spend a couple of years doing voluntary work overseas doing youth work. He's been an MP for almost 35 and is now Leader of the Opposition. I don't think anyone would say he's not intelligent (not saying anyone is).

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:13:55

How can you have a cross-party committee on the NHS?
PR?

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:21:07

Why give people appointments if you plan to cancel them?
I agree djen, it is mystifying.
But it seems to be something that has been done in the past too.
Why? Is it just the 'system' that is at fault, ie the medical staff and those who send out the appointments who schedule the appointments, hoping that there will not be a 'winter crisis'? Although there usually is so why schedule routine surgery for then?

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:22:59

Just out of interest, what is the point of saying "passing exams isn't everything"?
Perhaps Jeremy Corbyn is proof of that Gracesgran - he didn't do very well academically, but look where he is now!
That should be encouragement to all those who do not enjoy academia.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:26:54

Oh dear, three posts in a row.

Must get my head in order
grin

However, someone would then complain that it was tltr

Jalima1108 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:27:11

Five with this one

lemongrove Sat 13-Jan-18 18:29:25

grin

Chewbacca Sat 13-Jan-18 18:32:55

grin

jura2 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:34:52

'Except...in the case of a doctor !' - I actually disagree here. The best doctors (or the best teachers, psychologists, etc, etc) are not necessarily the ones with the Highest and most numerous qualifications - of course, you need to be qualified- but someone with 3 PhDs will not necessarily be the best at doctoring, or teaching.

jura2 Sat 13-Jan-18 18:41:07

This principle is actually much better understood in the UK, than in France, the EU or Switzerland. The best paid teachers are those with the highest academic qualifications, even if they are awful and hopeless teachers.

For instance, as a practical example, not academic though- the best paid Ski Instructors in France are those who win races, especially at international level- even if they have no idea how to teach effectively- or relate to people, assess their ability and work out how to release the right triggers to allow them to achieve their best.

Chewbacca Sat 13-Jan-18 18:42:18

Jalima when a non urgent operation is scheduled, the operating theatres, surgeons and staff are booked weeks or months in advance. This is problematical in the run up to, and over, the busy winter months because beds are needed for urgent cases. It would be much better if from, say October/November, no non urgent operations were scheduled, thus avoiding the need to cancel those appointments at the last minute. It all needs to be managed better. Afterall, winter comes around every year and brings the associated urgent hospital admissions.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-Jan-18 23:08:27

Back to the NHS perhaps....

It would have been nice if you and others hadn't taken us away from the discussion really Lemons.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-Jan-18 23:09:38

GracesGran passing exams is not a sign of intelligence

Where did I say it was? Do read what is written WMKF, not just what you want to have an argument about.

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 13-Jan-18 23:28:14

OK I used the word intelligence and not knowledge, but the word knowledge has many definitions including understanding as well as information. Knowing something does not mean automatically you understand it. So the same thing applies. Knowing a lot of facts does not mean you know how to apply them. And don't be so pompous in your replies.

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 13-Jan-18 23:42:11

On Question Time on Thursday night it seemed like there was a lot of support for the NHS to be taken out of the politicians hands or at least to be under the umbrella of cross party support. I must admit I was gobsmacked to hear Hunt not only kept his job, but was given Social Care too. It's not that I don't think the two things should be under one minister - I do - it just sent chills down my spine to hear Hunt is to be that minister.

How can a minister refuse to be moved elsewhere? What power does Hunt have to defy the PM like that? I've never heard of this happening before, but has anyone else? confused.

I was hoping Sarah Wollaston would make it to Health Minister.

WilmaKnickersfit Sat 13-Jan-18 23:47:30

PS I know Hunt already had Social Care, but you know what I mean.

WilmaKnickersfit Sun 14-Jan-18 00:06:07

This is interesting...

Jeremy Hunt and Nepotism

durhamjen Sun 14-Jan-18 00:59:42

That was interesting, Wilma. I knew about Virginia, but not about his dad.
The one thing missing out of that was Virgin Care. I wonder where Branson fits in the nepotism triangle.
I presume he wasn't around in Surrey when that article was written.