Corbyns Torque

I agree Primrose, increasing council tax on high value homes is a goal for the far left, perhaps doesn't fit well with Corbyn saying he was now taking the centre ground , upsets the ambition to garner votes on the centre ground,

So dishonest but no surprise

It was band D that he wanted to increase it from. My house isn't really all that big so to have a massive council tax increase was a huge concern for me. It's a shame, though, as Chris was in the same branch of the Labour party that I was in and I was intending to campaign for him even though he wasn't standing in my area.

I am not sure that there is any justification for Council Tax.

Some folk, especially of our generation , may be property rich, but cash poor.

They do not want to move from their homes but cannot afford much Council Tax. Would it not be fairer to have a local income tax?

Tegan, I cannot understand how you can accept deselection of MP's and would campaign for the man who supports it. Seems it's ok for others to lose their jobs but not you having to pay more council tax?

Sorry Annie; which MP's are you referring to? If it's Chris Leslie I'm very vocal in my condemnation of the party wanting to deselect him. As for council tax; my income is just over £1,000 a month and I can't afford a massive hike in council tax, along with inflation, and also can't afford to move or downsize. Hang on; see what you mean, now. It was before the last election that I thought about campaigning for Chris as my MP is Heather Wheeler and there was no chance of a Labour candidate winning here. As you can see, my political alliegancies [sp] are all over the shot these days.

He spoke out for all MP's who didn't agree with Corbyn to be deselected .Tegan, no matter Corbyn disagreed with his leaders , I can understand your worry over higher council tax but it will happen if Corbyn gets into power .

This isn't new news from Chris Williamson and a LP frontbencher calling for increased taxation is hardly stepping outside the party line.
I think something is afoot.

I thought he'd said he wanted to increase council tax but it was only the other day that he said he wanted to 'double' it?

It is when they want middle England votes Primrose , I doubt Momentum are plotting to kick Comrade Corbyn off his perch yet , after the next election, win or lose, then yes

Unless they think the election is some years off ?

I'm sure I'm just having a tin foil hat moment.
Won't be the first. Doubt it's the last!
Time for a - that'll clear my thoughts.

Don't fret Primrose, I often feel I should be wearing a suit of armour when posting my opinion and facts about Corbyn ?

torque actually means a twisting movement, also described 'as a force that tends to cause roatation'

M0nica - what is the force that is causing that?
And are they going in ever-decreasing circles or achieving some momentum?

DH has a rather rude saying about that which I cannot post on here.

Oh go on Jalima!

I have just looked the prize up, never having heard of it before. He shares the prize with Noam Chomsky, who, to quote Wikipedia is an American linguist, philosopher, cognitive scientist, historian, social critic, and political activist. Sometimes described as "the father of modern linguistics," Chomsky is also a major figure in analytic philosophy and one of the founders of the field of cognitive science. He is the author of over 100 books on topics such as linguistics, war, politics, and mass media. Ideologically, he aligns with anarcho-syndicalism and libertarian socialism. He holds a joint appointment as Institute Professor Emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and laureate professor at the University of Arizona.

He has won more awards than you could throw a stick at and is a person of far greater life achievement than Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of Her Majesties Opposition in the British Parliament.

None of the papers reported much about him winning the award either, nor the third winners All Okinawa Council Against Henoko New Base

Corbyn cannot hold a candle to Chomsky, so lets keep it all in perspective.

Shame this missed being posted in the Intertia thread.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/12/labour-sexual-harassment-victim-feeling-fobbed-jeremy-corbyn

Surely not ?

As expected, all the Momentum candidates won the NEC elections for the new seats. I wonder how they will influence the internal democracy review.

Surely not, what a surprise - not.

They have many plans to change much in the party , democracy out the window , .momentum in through the door . Stand by for deselection of some execellent Labour M
P's , a few are expecting it .

Yes, I can see Lansman taking out anyone who doesn't support him. I know the LP often brag about the size of their membership but it was a 20% turnout for this vote. Hardly a ringing endorsement of Lansman and Momentum and certainly not 'for the many', just 'the few' who voted.
I think this is how he's managed to gain such influence - you only need a tiny percentage of people to follow your cause and you can openly take over a major political party.

Only 20% voted, your are right Primrose, hardly a ringing endorsement. I think Tom Watson will be replaced , he has served his purpose for Corbyn.

I think this is how he's managed to gain such influence - you only need a tiny percentage of people to follow your cause and you can openly take over a major political party.

Exactly Primrose. I would imagine every loud, boorish, offensive, foul mouthed youth vigorously supporting Labour on Twitter and such like has come to the party via Lansman's Momentum. This is the group that makes the most noise and in it's way this hard left cuckoo in the nest is counter-productive. It doesn't encourage people to support Labour, it scares them away. These are the people who applauded Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell a while ago, when he commented that a female MP in opposition is a b***t**d and should be "lynched". He still hasn't apologised for such a foul outburst, nor has he been chastised by Corbyn. Even Diane Abbot refused to renounce him publicly.

Going off track there slightly, but this is what the Labour party has become and the hard left is steering it. Their aim is to destroy the establishment. It's almost like a personal vendetta.

Day 6

Ah well you see McDonnell didn't directly call for Esther McVey to be lynched or call her a b** , he only used the comment to get a laugh because he is a ' joker '.

He knew perfectly well it would go down well with his 'audience' and sees no problem with 'anybody' using such rhetoric, including himself obviously ,alongside the likes of Corbyn, Abbott, Thornberry et all who back him up.

Why would they? They agree with McDonnell presumably when he calls her a 'Stain on humanity' , they must do because they don't believe he has said anything wrong or should apologise. He has said he wouldn't anyway.

He did the same thing when addressing an audience talking about 'forms of direct action' and ' descent' by giving an example of a Union member involved in a dispute who was a tea lady and she said :-

"but I make the managers tea, and I SPIT in it every day".

He didn't SPIT in the tea but he used the story to make his point, exactly as he did with Esther McVey . He uses anecdotes to hide behind to make his point very successfully does he not.

McDonnell has called for 'Insurrection' , called himself a Marxist but even though you can hear him say it from the horses mouth some devotees unbelievably refuse to accept he has says and does these things.

As Lincoln said : You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

I agree, and hope Momentum go even further because if they do then voters will refuse to vote Labour and herald in the new Marxist Dawn.That will hasten the end for Corbyn and McDonnell.
It was so obvious that Momentum had infiltrated the Labour Party with their radical and often bullying tactics but none of the GN left wing posters would have it!
No, Momentum were all lovely, they knew some personally,
Or they didn’t know anything at all about Momentum!!