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jura2 Marieliz - racism, lies, mysoginism are not 'opinions' @ 18.02

You're really good at reading things into posts that were never intended, aren't you?
I detest "racism, lies and mysoginisms" just as much as you do - whether they're printed in the DM, DE, Guardian or I. But all newspapers print their own opinions, depending upon their political slant/bias of their editor, and their readership. It's naivety to think that any newspaper prints anything but the truth, and nothing but the truth, in their publications. The only thing we each have to decide is which one we prefer to read.

Yes, I read it sometimes, I also read other newspapers sometimes, except for The Sun.
DH buys it on Saturdays for the tv times bit, sometimes I read it, sometimes I don't, time dependent.

I sometimes read an article online because other Gransnetters post links to them, usually to see what all the 'pearl-clutching' is about

This has piqued my interest, I may take a look.

It isn’t about truth but the editorial stance

Oh.

Much more important than whether you can buy the DM on Virgin trains.

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There are a whole host of things more important.

On Gransnet we discuss important things and less important things and even unimportant things.

I think it is quite important that our democracy is hugely influenced by a tiny number of billionaire newspaper proprietors. Others may think that is not important.

Quite.

You can't buy the Guardian either.
Or the Express and Star

There shouldn't be any Virgin trains. They should be nationalised.
The only government not able to bid for our trains is the UK government.

It isn’t about truth but the editorial stance

That's why I said: "But all newspapers print their own opinions, depending upon their political slant/bias of their editor, and their readership"

It's possible to have quite a broad-minded editorial stance.

There is factual reporting where someone or some several report on what they've seen or found out. And there's opinions pieces, your editorial stance if you like. Good papers cover a range of opinions that don't all agree because they employ a range of op-ed writers.

Yes, but not in the Daily Mail.

Opinion doesn't come under truth. Reports do, or should. A good paper will cover both and correct factual errors.

I wouldn't know, varian.

There's nothing to stop people travelling on Virgin Trains bringing their own copy of the DM or reading it on their phones or tablets. VT is just virtue signalling.

VT that doesn,t pay enough tax. Plenty of room to signal its virtue then

The editorial stance influences the reporting. It shouldn’t but it does.

So for example with regard to the Mail you won’t find day after day of reports putting Corbyn in a good light but you will find day after day if rubbishing him and labour.

That is why Blair courted Murdoch as hs realised that without the support of the right leaning newspapers which are almost the entire majority, labour finds it almost impossible to get into government. These papers influence thought.

It is however hopefully changing with social media.

I did specify good newspapers, I think. The DM 'rubbishing' Corbyn doesn't seem to have done him any harm.

No you are right baggs The Mail carried 16 pages rubbishing Corbyn the day before the election, but the under 50s see papers like the telegraph and mail as part of the same elite as the Tory Government. So it seems the more they trash Corbyn the more likely the under 50s will be convinced to consider voting for Corbyn.

I doubt many young people buy and read a newspaper or even bother reading one online.

Virgin has every right to sell what it chooses at any of it's business interests. If however a business such as Virgin holds a monopoly , as it does with it's train service, then it is difficult to represent an opposing view or challenge the companies decision as a customer/user. It probably wouldn't give a toss anyway.

Virgin is a business and relies on it's customers to buy it's products and if it wants to take such a stance it will do so presumably with the understanding it may have pleased some but alienated others.

I find it very interesting there are a nucleus of people who would consider they are Liberal minded but in fact are anything but. They are perfectly happy to suppress free speech when it does not suit 'their view or agenda' and as long as it is not 'their' chosen source of reading feel content to see this form of censorship, however trivial or not it may be dependent on your view.

Whether the paper in question was the Daily Mail or the Guardian I would hold the same view as I believe in freedom of choice and freedom to believe what we like as long as it is within the law because politics in the UK is not run under a Dictatorship, YET! That however is becoming increasingly a moot point.

To my mind I have always felt the regurgitated hatred of the Daily Mail and it's readers gives rise to the point the definition of Bigotry ,' intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself ', has many meanings and follows many paths.

Just so.

Virgin Trains West Coast does not sell The Guardian or the Daily Mail.

They only sell The Times, FT and the Mirror - two right wing serious newspapers and one left wing tabloid. As you say, they sell what they choose to sell but where is the bias?

There shouldn't be any Virgin trains. They should be nationalised.
Jeremy Corbyn WILL let trains sell the Daily Mail once he renationalises the railways, his official spokesman declared today.

Two birds, one stone.

I read Monty Don's page.