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Maybot’s lack of self belief, alarms Tory members

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whitewave Wed 24-Jan-18 12:17:31

Continuity of previous thread.

It is interesting to know that the Tories have chosen the environment as one of the focuses in order to try and tackle the young vote.

This morning I read that this failing government (shades of Trumpgrin is refusing to sign up to the EUs plan to tackle plastic waste.

A prime example f this government shooting itself in the foot on a number of levels.

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 11:38:00

There are whispers that May will be gone by the end of the week. I am sceptical tbh.

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 11:41:54

Adonis tweeted advise to Maybot

“In this crises, this week, do not appease your Farageist hard right wingers. Your country needs pragmatism not ideology. We are desperately worried about our jobs and lives”

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 12:07:27

Dave Alan tweeting about the transition deal

1. Transition, a quick thread.

There is no article 50 and 1/2 in the TEU dealing with transition.
There is no article hidden in the Treaties like Platform 9and 3/4.

2 so what would the legal basis be in the EU Treaties for a transition period - of the U.K. keeping the aquis, without, well, being an EU member?

3.the transition arrangement may be based on Article 50, even though there is no specific mention of “transition”
It must be in the agreement mentioned in Article 50 (2) and (3).

4.How long can such a withdrawal arrangement last? They cannot be indefinite or else they would be beyond the legal limit of Article 50.
So must be time limited.

5.The EU seems to think that Article 50 cannot bear the weight of transition beyond 18 months to 2 years.

If so that is a very hard legal limit.

6.But if the U.K. is thinking of a 5-6 year transition period, that will be outside the scope of Article 50.

7 so a long transition period may not be possible under Article 50

8 so it seems the only possibility would be to extend the Article 50 period, which as Dunt says would be politically difficult.

9 Mogg argues (rightly imo) that extending Article 50 will reduce the U.K. to a vassal state of the EU

10we have a crunch coming up that will be impossible to fudge.

MaizieD Mon 29-Jan-18 12:08:13

Corbyn, ww

I've always found it strange

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 13:05:04

What chances of Maybot surviving?

jura2 Mon 29-Jan-18 14:49:55

In short- none- and probably much worse to come, Mogg, Davies, BoJo, Gove combo sad sad

All those posts about what the UK wants are so UK centric- it is NOT the UK that will decide, and not Macron or Merkel- but all 27 - and they are in no mood for pick and mix consessions.

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 14:58:15

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/27/national-audit-office-to-investigate-east-coast-rail-bailout-chris-grayling

Another problem for her at home.

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 15:06:48

Yes I read that - another incompetent. Cabinets full of them.

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 15:33:53

Lilley and Mitchel asking for 6k in euros for their “expertise””

Sleaze

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 15:45:30

Has anyone read about Merkel poking fun at Mays expense?

This was on FB by Peston

Merkel gave a briefing to journalists

Merkel to May “what do you want the shape of the uks relationship with the EU to be?”

May to Merkel “make me an offer”

Merkel to May “but it is you who are leaving, we don’t make you an offer, it is for you to decide what you want”

May to Merkel “make me an offer”

Merkel then went on to describe how they were in this constant recurring loop.
The journalists were highly amused.

Not so funny for the U.K. because the truth is no one in government apart from the headbanger brextremists know what they want.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jan-18 15:59:04

I wouldn’t be taken in by Peston on FB, or are you saying this is a ‘verbatim’ account ( very, very, hard to believe).

lemongrove Mon 29-Jan-18 16:02:10

Remember, this is a two way street ( Brexit) and the EU really want our money ( really want it) so although some in the 27 may huff and puff in the end it is Germany and France that will put pressure on, behind the scenes to get a deal.

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 16:09:17

Merkel and May also reported in International Business Times.

Do you need any more examples in order to be convinced lemon?

May is seen as so incompetent that world leaders feel free to mock her.

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 16:25:00

"Downing Street has responded to critics claiming that Theresa May has been too cautious as prime minister.

The PM's official spokesman said she was "grasping the many opportunities" of Brexit while also acting on housing, schools and the NHS. "

Haven't really noticed, have you?
On the other hand she couldn't respond herself so must be too busy - or hiding again.

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 16:28:20

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/child-poverty_uk_5a6af095e4b0ddb658c53bbb

She's obviously too busy to do anything about this. These poor kids have to look up at the skyscrapers of the City and Canary Wharf.

lemongrove Mon 29-Jan-18 16:28:20

They wouldn't be mocking for long ww if we decided to go to WTO tariffs and only paid the modest sum we actually owe! ?

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 16:32:55

Neither would we lemon a cliff edge would be the worse thing we could possibly do to ourselves

lemongrove Mon 29-Jan-18 16:39:25

It’s debatable, according to who you listen to.
I think that we will do a deal with the EU, but all the silly stuff by the media/blogs/dailies doesn’t help.They want to continue trading with us, we do with them but it’s true that they need our money, losing us as a source is a big blow to them.

whitewave Mon 29-Jan-18 16:45:21

Yet more sleaze.

At least 6 ministers are being investigated for using tax payers money to fund Moggs ERG.

MaizieD Mon 29-Jan-18 18:36:41

They wouldn't be mocking for long ww if we decided to go to WTO tariffs

You know that there is a big problem with this, don't you?

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 19:24:53

infacts.org/let-tory-psychodrama-continue-good-pro-europeans/

That's what Corbyn is doing.

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 19:54:47

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/01/29/conservatives-for-hire-cashing-in-on-brexit/

Lilley, Mitchell and Lansley sleaze that whitewave was talking about.

mostlyharmless Mon 29-Jan-18 22:08:42

Hmmm “holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest”.

Why doesn't this story surprise me? I think we just expect avarice and corruption in the Conservative party. It's not even getting much publicity. Not on the BBC news headlines tonight I notice.
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Is this a foretaste of what Brexit will bring? Has Theresa May condemned this or is an investigation under way?

I see Peter Lilley might lose his upcoming peerage! Andrew Mitchell is still an MP so shouldn't he be sacked from the party?

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 22:16:40

Lansley is in the House of Lords. Obviously a reward for setting up the NHS for privatisation.

durhamjen Mon 29-Jan-18 22:43:35

Party donors telling May to resign now.
It makes me wish she would stay - almost.
Now we know who pulls the strings, instead of just guessing.

I bet those at the Presidents Club were among them.