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The Poverty of Brexit

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whitewave Fri 09-Feb-18 08:52:13

Poverty of ideas
Poverty of economy

It seems that NI is as useless said to stay in the Single Market according to EU draft.

Expect a major row from the headbangers and denial from Number 10

Round and around we go.

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 09:33:14

No, but I doubt whether the authors do either *dj

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Feb-18 09:40:22

May's speech possibly next Tuesday - why not just tell us? Corbyn's on Monday. Will we know any more by Wednesday?

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 09:42:44

Huffpost are calling it a national divergency.

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 09:42:50

grin only that everyone is still pretty clueless and seem to be staggering towards reality so painfully slowly it is pathetic

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 09:43:27

Oh! Tell that to Scotland!

Tegan2 Fri 23-Feb-18 10:43:37

"Ambitious managed divergence" is the new phrase we all have to learn coming out of yesterday's meeting.
Anyone know what it means? Didn't Boris describe our new relationship with the EU to be like some sort of 'pulsating umbilicus' [or something like that?]. May have been fake news but, if it wasn't it was like something out of Alien#thestuffofnightmares

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 10:56:08

tegan it is ridiculous isn’t it? If they matched their rhetoric, constant tautology and meaningless phrases with sense they’d be geniuses.

Tegan2 Fri 23-Feb-18 11:09:58

It's like the opposite of 'Newspeak'. Pre referendum, we spoke to a group of people from the Conservative Party who were pro remain and they said the problem with their party was that it was run by journalists these days ie Boris and Gove who had little knowledge of politics itself. These were the same people who told us the Medicines Agency would relocate if leave won.

mostlyharmless Fri 23-Feb-18 11:28:36

“Ambitious managed divergence” - the Daily Mail can’t run a campaign against that as nobody knows what it means.

It could well mean 99.9% convergence of regulations so leading to a very soft Brexit, but allows people to think it might mean total divergence and a hard Brexit.

Just doublespeak or fudge.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Feb-18 11:43:45

That's an interesting thought Tegan. Boris seems to be that rare(?) blend of genius, so we are told, and complete ignorance of the world about him.

Tegan2 Fri 23-Feb-18 11:53:38

My mum would have just described him as someone that had 'the gift of the gab'....

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Feb-18 15:47:14

What do you make of this. I had heard of the Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Agreement but only, I think, because it had been vaguely mentioned in another article. This, dated a couple of days ago, is sub-headed The Brexit show rolls on to Vienna today. David Davis is hinting at where the Government may end up – but Jill Rutter argues that it is far from clear that the EU will agree.

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 16:35:52

voxpoliticalonline.com/2018/02/23/tony-blair-slams-frankly-sickening-calls-to-scrap-good-friday-agreement/

Just to show I agree with Blair occasionally.
There is a vote on here about the Good Friday Agreement.
Please vote, and pass it on, even though it is on voxpolitical.

The original article in Huffpost does not have a chance to vote.

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 17:20:31

Love this tweet

“With non-EU immigrants being twice that of EU immigrants, will the U.K. need a referendum to leave the world?
grin

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 17:40:28

Alex Andreau commenting on the latest Brexit news

“ in short the U.K. will follow the same rules as it does now, having giving up its considerable power to influence those rules, at a bargain cost of lower GDP between -5-8% and unspeakable disruption to millions of lives.
BUT ONLY BECAUSE WE WANT TO. This, apparently is taking back control.

How splendid”

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 17:42:43

The phenomenon of the hard right
pbs.twimg.com/media/DWvH6LoXUAIxN3k?format=jpg

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 18:02:17

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-waived-6000-fee-12071896

New meaning to the idea of poverty of Brexit.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 23-Feb-18 18:26:44

How true both of them are whitewave.

So what will happen to Boris I wonder Jen. My guess - nothing at all!

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 18:27:55

It’s called taking the piss dj

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 18:30:18

Small change, it was called. Not far off the state pension.
I wonder how many other times they have done it.

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 18:52:35

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/21/world-clear-eyed-brexit-reversed-eu

Excellent article by Martin Kettle.

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 19:08:53

Yes that is excellent, and such sense.

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 19:17:24

Pandora's box makes much more sense than May's three baskets.

www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/91876/which-rights-will-brits-lose-post-brexit

The hope left in is the hope that Brexiteers will see sense in the end, and back out of Brexit.
I am sure they didn't expect to lose their human rights.

whitewave Fri 23-Feb-18 19:26:11

Love this post from the other place

“The Government has decided on a Brexit which they can’t get through Parliament and to which the EU will never agree

Genius”

durhamjen Fri 23-Feb-18 21:10:20

Same with this about the Good Friday Agreement. I have heard that Kate Hoey has been censured by her local party.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/02/22/the-good-friday-agreement-will-endure-long-after-dan-hannan

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