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The Poverty of Brexit

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whitewave Fri 09-Feb-18 08:52:13

Poverty of ideas
Poverty of economy

It seems that NI is as useless said to stay in the Single Market according to EU draft.

Expect a major row from the headbangers and denial from Number 10

Round and around we go.

MaizieD Thu 22-Feb-18 15:23:13

Eurovision Song Contest pre-dates the EEC/EU.

I think you slightly missed the point, annodomini smile

It has those dreaded letters 'euro' as a prefix...

varian Thu 22-Feb-18 14:37:06

Sorry, I think you're right mostlyharmless. It is so easy to get confused with very large figures. I suppose writing £2000 m cost on this bus makes it easier to make a comparison with the non-existant £350m "saving" on the lying leavers bus. These huge sums of money are beyond the ken of most folk, but it is not difficult to grasp the comparison.

mostlyharmless Thu 22-Feb-18 13:38:35

I’m not querying the amount varian just the way it is written. A billion is a thousand million. Has been used that way in UK since 1970s. I just wondered why they chose to call it £2000 billion instead of two billion. Perhaps £2000 bn sounds a bigger number.
A billion is nothing nowadays really is it???

mostlyharmless Thu 22-Feb-18 13:29:21

varian but isn’t £2000 million the same as two billion?

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 11:37:46

Varian I see that the Tories are offering the Lib Dem’s a day debate providing they don’t talk about Brexit!!

Good grief.

varian Thu 22-Feb-18 11:33:25

No mostlyharmless the new red bus has the right figure - £2,000m per week. This is from the Governments own figures of the cost of leaving with no deal.

The estimated cost of different deals is different, but all estimates show a huge cost - certainly not the £350m per week saving promised by the lying leavers bus. Of course it would not take long for the weekly cost to accumulate to billions (about £1bn every five week)

Lib Dem MP Tom Brake said today: "The point that is being made on the side of this red bus is that as a result of us leaving the European Union and the impact it will have on growth and the economy, the figures suggest the loss to the UK could be as high as £2,000m per week . What we're trying to do is to remind people this is not a done deal."

The Brexit Facts Bus is touring 33 locations across the UK for eight days and has been paid for through crowdfunding £16,000 in cash from more than 600 people

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 11:27:37

Yes ww they degrade very quickly

Welshwife Thu 22-Feb-18 11:25:42

An MP asked a question about Euratom during PMQ this week. She mentioned the speed of delivery needed with the isotopes - as usual no good answer given.

annodomini Thu 22-Feb-18 11:10:57

Eurovision Song Contest pre-dates the EEC/EU. It was a child of the European Broadcasting Union of which the UK was a founder member. There are plenty of non-EU contestants, especially from the East - and I think Australia was taking part a couple of years ago!

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 11:01:34

Well the EU migrants have seen the light and like rats leaving a sinking ship - good for them

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 10:29:36

We are all immigrants now! Time to head back to our own country
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MaizieD Thu 22-Feb-18 09:38:48

Losing Eurotom is an inevitable consequence-

To me that was one of the early indicators that May was a loose cannon. That was pone of the very first things she announced once she became PM.

Why TF Euratom specifically among all the other EU agencies?

Presumably because it had 'Eur' in its title and could produce a nice dogwhistle response.

Shame we've never managed to leave the Eurovision Song Contest, though ... that would have been worthwhile grin

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 09:22:18

My daughter also works with isotopes and without a constant uninterrupted flow - they degrade very quickly -drug production and research will be stymied.

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 09:20:09

To be worn by all those who support remain grin

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jura2 Thu 22-Feb-18 09:16:38

Losing Eurotom is an inevitable consequence- I wonder how all the leavers who will not be able to receive cancer treatment in future will react.

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 09:10:29

Remainiacs podcast has been nominated for best podcast of the year

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 09:09:24

I see Best for Britain has raised over 190k towards stopping Brexit. Only a bit more and it will be matched by a rich donor to help the cause.

whitewave Thu 22-Feb-18 07:31:55

Total opposition in the House of Lords over losing Eurotom.

Including all the Tories who spoke.

durhamjen Wed 21-Feb-18 23:19:29

Maybe she will not let them leave Chequers tomorrow until they have agreed to what she wants.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 21-Feb-18 23:03:59

Brexit transition plans revealed in the Telegraph. May's Transition Strategy document from what I can gather. Guardian has the wording apparently and it says that "the UK believes the periods duration should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes". So an open ended transition. I can't see JRM giving his approval for that although it sounds pragmatic to me. Apparently the cabinet did not agree to TMs negotiating strategy for the Brexit transition period before it was sent to other EU nations. Interesting.

durhamjen Wed 21-Feb-18 21:59:45

I hope it is driven slowly so that people can read the whole message, mostlyharmless.

mostlyharmless Wed 21-Feb-18 21:58:06

Anti Brexit bus on streets of London. Isn’t that two billion?

durhamjen Wed 21-Feb-18 19:55:57

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-threat-to-eu-health-early-warning-prevention-system-serious-infectious-diseases/

This is an article about the relationship between Switzerland and the EU, and what could happen to us once we leave.

whitewave Wed 21-Feb-18 19:50:22

The following reported in the Guardian and gleaned from the other place.

This is an unpublished report about hygiene failings in the USA production of meat.

Diseased and condemned poultry found in the same container as poultry for the market
Pig carcasses piled on factory floors and contaminated with grease, blood and other filth
Meat destined for human consumption found to be diseased and pus filled
High powered hoses used to clean next to uncovered meat
Floors flooded with dirty water after drains blocked with animal bits
Dirty chickens contaminated with filth and faeces simply rinsed briefly in chlorine and put back.

Professor Milstone food safety expert said that the food poisoning incidents in USA is significantly higher than in EU

whitewave Wed 21-Feb-18 19:22:56

Unilever to move to Holland post Brexit according to the FT

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