Jeremy Paxman says 'no votes for pensioners'

No leaver I know has changed their mind if anything their resolve is even stronger.

In the great scheme of things Paxman is irrelevant he lives in a different world to the vast majority of us.

Sadly some of the very wealthy few, such as foreign newspaper proprietors, billionaire bankers and priviledged politicians who appear to live in a different world are highly relevant in this debate as they are able to influence millions of ordinary voters.

And, as Murdoch said, he can influence our government but he can't influence the EU....

...if anything their resolve is even stronger.

Even stronger to do what, Wally? Battle through the economic depression, isolation and the derision and scorn of most of the international community, like the plucky Little Englanders they are?

Or are they prepared to take to the streets armed with pitchforks if we decide not to leave the EU after all?

They'll need pitchforks either way to help the farmers if we leave.

So you admit it then GracesGranMK2! I didn't just miss one, I missed one other, if not the main one: projection.

'Democracy is changing...' ? - care to explain?

'Democracy is for everyone...' - has it not been then? I thought that was the point - that it is for everyone! And certainly the point Day6 made so eloquently on 14 Feb.

So you admit it then GracesGranMK2! I didn't just miss one, I missed one other, if not the main one: projection.

You seems to have turned into a pseudo American lawyer AM. I was not 'admitting' to anything. I was simply saying that your mind reading skills when it comes to others motives - I don't - had missed what I do, which is ignore Day6's posts.

I also try to ignore those who come on here only to wind things up. You seem to think that having a go at other posters is worthwhile argument and, having added nothing to that discussion are now trying to re-write others posts. You have, deliberately it seems, misquoted me. I did not say "Democracy is changing...' I said "Democracy is moving and changing in the ideas we agree on and always has been." Misquoting for your own ends is lying by another name. Pleased do not do it with my posts. Democracy is moving and changing in the ideas we agree on and always has been - you only have to think that 100 years ago only women over 30 who owned property or whose husbands owned property could vote. That was our democracy then; it is not our democracy now.

I have a feeling - I am not sure as you don't seem to have been posting all that often - that you are another to ignore. I certainly will if you continue to shout at everyone and misquote for your own ends.

GracesGranMK2 ...my, how you dish yourself.

Democracy has changed in who has the vote thanks to Suffragettes, yes. So now we have one person one vote regardless of gender, wealth or age (which is what the OP was about) and also whether you or I agree with how that vote is cast. Are you working to change that I wonder?

However, you are indeed a strong proponent for ignoring others you say - when you dont like/agree what they say? And this seems to me to be the essence of your political stance. And when those views do not go away...well...see your above post?

All the strategies I listed previously which you said 'yes' to (and pointed out I'd missed one) add up to passive aggressive manoeuvring and presumably continuing to push through for the result you want. And ignore the democratically arrived at outcome.

AmMaz, why do you feel the need to just attack one person rather than consider the OP?

I am not a 'proponent' of anything AmMaz. I just explained what I do about a poster you chose to applaud - I don't. It is not because I don't agree with them but I find them rude and aggressive - rather as you, it seems to me, are deliberately being towards me. In real life I can walk away. That is what I chose to do on here. I am not suggesting anyone else does it.

You are misrepresenting me again. Please do not give false and misleading accounts of what I said. I did not say "yes" to anything. It might be worth rereading as you seem to have made up your own reply.

MaizieD To leave the EU

A coalition of academics went public today with a mission to prove it was not only less educated people who or Brexit
It's called Briefings for Brexit.
I doubt that you will find a hairy knuckle dragging xenophobic little englander amongst them

"Who voted for Brexit"

That would spoil the popular opinion of Remainers though Petra

Did anyone actually say that it was only less educated people who voted for Brexit?

Lemon
But think how angry they can get with their ( the academics) opinions

Eloethan
You obviously missed a 'few' posts after the referendum

Do you have a link to them, Petra? It will be interesting to see what they have to say.

AmMaz ''Democracy is changing...' ? - care to explain?

'Democracy is for everyone...' - has it not been then? I thought that was the point - that it is for everyone! And certainly the point Day6 made so eloquently on 14 Feb.'

The interpretation of 'Democracy' is very very different depending on location/country. So, the recent referendum has certainly meant a huge change for the UK - which has never ever been a direct Democracy, but a Parliamentary one- and where Referendums have always been, and are, by our own Laws (and not the EUs) been advisory. That is very clear- also clear that Cameron had NO right whatsoever to make a promise it would be implemented- with a tiny majority and based on lie after lie.

I live in a Direct Democracy where Referendums are the norm- the GVT has to produce advice for voters which are heavily scrutinised by experts (yes ... experts- would you believe it !)- which are distributed by the GVT before the vote to all households- representing all pros and cons and consequences.

Democracy by Referendum is just not cricket - or British.

If we had to vote on a choice- no votes for over 80s or votes for 16/17 year olds with regard to leave or remain in EU - I'd pick our young people- it is their future more than it is ours.

If you ask "who voted for brexit?" you will get the answer " a lot of different types of voter, but a disproportionate number of poorly educated folk, old folk and folk who read downmarket right-wing tabloids such as the Sun, Express and Daily Mail."

Obviously there were some other folk who voted for brexit for reasons known to themselves. People who should have known better.

Same here, jura, but then we shouldn't have to vote on that choice. They should all have it.

The only people who have ever suggested that the statistics said ALL the people who voted for Exit are less educated are the leave voters. They want to polish the chips on their shoulders. We often have examples of such polishing on here. No one else has said such a thing. Many have tried to explain but Leavers don't want to hear it - it would deflate their chance to whinge.

As for "academics" getting angry - I don't see that either. They usually have the vocabulary to discuss and don't have to visit a forum just to name call and denigrate everyone who doesn't agree with their view of life. Again there are many examples of this from those who chose to display their non-academic credentials, polished along with their shoulder chips.

Sad little lot the non academic, less educated Leave voter - or rather those who limited themselves by believing that's all they are.