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Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

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Day6 Sun 25-Feb-18 13:56:27

Labour shifts to back a customs union with EU after Brexit (Sky News)

news.sky.com/story/labour-shifts-to-back-a-customs-union-with-eu-after-brexit-11267193

Sir Keir Starmer Labours Shadow Brexit secretary said Labour had "unanimously" agreed at a meeting last week to "develop" their Brexit policy.

He said: "It's a customs union… there's going to have to be a new agreement, but will it do the work of the current customs union? Yes, that's the intention."

Sir Keir admitted Labour's position means it will have to be "negotiated" as to who is in control of Britain's trade policy after Brexit.

He said: "We will have to have a say but the real point is - because we all want trade agreements, we all want more trade agreements - are we more likely to get them if we do it jointly with the EU or on our own?

From Labour Leave. (below) The Andrew Marr interview.

Marr: After we leave, who will be in charge of trade policy?

Starmer: That will have to be negotiated.

"Keir_Starmer confirms a Labour government would sell out the British public on Brexit and tie us into a protectionist Customs Union with the EU. Shameful!"

MaizieD Tue 27-Feb-18 22:28:48

I'm a bit concerned at Day6s apparently unsubstantiated slagging off of DAG.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 27-Feb-18 23:07:52

Watch out for "Common Regulatory Space". It is one suggestion for the whole of Ireland but the DUP are never going to wear that, surely.

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 23:13:03

Hopefully he's too busy to notice Gransnet, Maizie.
He doesn't need to instruct lawyers of his own, does he?

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 23:18:15

Why did Davis not show up?
And why wasn't it mentioned on the news?
Or did I miss it?

durhamjen Tue 27-Feb-18 23:24:39

Perhaps he's hiding from this man.

Wally Wed 28-Feb-18 08:20:36

durhamjen You've more than met your match.

Wally Wed 28-Feb-18 08:23:26

I'm off this is getting silly as all of us are entrenched in our views. The British people voted for brexit of which I'm one and I very much hope it happens.

durhamjen Wed 28-Feb-18 08:25:31

Not a democracy if you can't change your mind.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 28-Feb-18 09:05:17

The FT article has been in the Paper Review Jen. They are saying Davis "hasn't been spotted since November" Barnier is suggesting it would be a good thing if DD went and had a chat with him. Apparently Davis has been going around Europe trying to talk to Foreign Ministers. Let's hope they have more about them than Boris!

"Mr Davis's absence from Brussels in recent months has triggered suggestions that Oliver Robbins, Mrs May's Brexit advisor, is doing more of the heavy lifting. Mr Davis is on a tour of Nordic countries this week ... "

whitewave Wed 28-Feb-18 09:11:37

I find it a tad worrying as I’m beginning to see more and more that it will be either a cliff edge, and we have no idea how bad that will be except it will be a catastrophe or remain.

Which unless it is voted on would not be democratic imo

What a mess it all is.

durhamjen Wed 28-Feb-18 09:16:17

What would happen if Davis was lost in a blizzard?
Over half term Norway had the most snow it had had for 30 years.

lemongrove Wed 28-Feb-18 09:19:31

You could go sledging there for a change dj ! Such fun.

whitewave Wed 28-Feb-18 09:22:51

I wonder how the Sami are doing? Still I suppose they are better at coping than all of us.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 28-Feb-18 09:23:33

I'm not sure anyone would notice Jen. All would go on just as it is.

I would hope they would send a St Bernard complete with barrel out for him though.

whitewave Wed 28-Feb-18 09:23:47

Makes it more difficult for the reindeer. Wonder if th3 moss is harvested?

whitewave Wed 28-Feb-18 09:25:00

Just pour it in grin probably two St Bernard’s would be needed in Davis’s case

durhamjen Wed 28-Feb-18 09:25:10

My son and his family were in Norway over half term. The snowdrifts were as high as the eaves, easily enough to bury Davis. Fortunately they can all ski.

MaizieD Wed 28-Feb-18 18:12:38

The British people voted for brexit of which I'm one

No, Wally. About half the British people, who voted, voted for brexit. That's why it's so contentious.

And, for a referendum on such a very serious matter, it was deeply flawed.

varian Wed 28-Feb-18 18:27:25

As if it wasn't bad enough that we are a country deeply divided over brexit, that our two largest parties have moved to the extreme right and left, that the centre ground, represented by the Liberal Democrats is totally ignored by the partisan press, the schism within the Labour Party between the pro and anti Corbyn factions is quite dispiriting.

When I say the two largest parties, I mean in terms of MPs, not party members. The LibDems have more members han the Conservative Party.

varian Wed 28-Feb-18 18:30:06

No Maizie

Just over a quarter of the British people voted for brexit. (about 26% I believe). The rest either voted to Remain in the EU, chose not to vote or were not entitled to vote.

MaizieD Wed 28-Feb-18 19:18:00

37% of the electorate is the figure I'm always being quoted, varian. But I see where you're coming from. I was trying to be careful to say that it was about half of the people who voted.

I wouldn't be so sore if it had been properly done with a requirement for a supermajority, but it was so casually and carelessly put together.

Mind you, I'm surprised that Parliament didn't insist on more rigour, but I suspect that, being mostly themselves in favour of Remain, that they completely failed to even think that their constituents might not feel the same...

varian Wed 28-Feb-18 19:30:02

You are right * Maizie*

GracesGranMK2 Wed 28-Feb-18 20:05:33

I am probably splitting hairs but, if you are talking about the result of the referendum imo there was a small majority, in an advisory referendum, which voted on one thing and one thing only - leave or remain.

If you are talking about the will of the people then only 37% voted to leave the rest either wanted to stay in or didn't vote. Also, Wally is "one of the people" whose 'will' needs to be considered but so is each and every one of us. This government has been extremely remiss in not taking that into account and going with the very smallest minority of extreme leavers in our representative parliament.

whitewave Wed 28-Feb-18 20:44:50

Jonathan Lis tweeted

“It is time to face facts, British people could vote for tropical sunshine in November, but if it can’t be delivered it can’t be delivered.

Voters are grownups and capable of making choices. We simply need to know what they are.

Wally Thu 01-Mar-18 15:58:46

whitewave I voted for tropical sunshine and I've got snow. That just goes to show you the luck I'm having lately.