Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

All this stuff isn't rocket science but it takes goodwill by us and the eu.

As well as money it takes time. It isn't all sitting in a warehouse waiting to be put in place. The attitude of the Leavers always seemed to me to be very like the "it will be all over by Christmas" we had at the before the WWI. It was an uneducated view then and showed a great lack of knowledge and the same sort of attitude, egged on by Boris and the like was just as unjustifiable. Now we are being told we can throw up the technology for hard boarders in an instant. I don't think so but maybe you actually know something the rest of us don't Petra and it's not all a lot of people standing round with their fingers crossed.

GracesgranMK2
I don't believe it will be up and running properly even by 2019. This one of the reasons I believe in a transition period.
But obviously not the same as the eu wants.
But I believe it will be done.

Corbyn and co are letting down all those who voted Labour because of the promise to leave the EU It's an utter shambles.

Before Corbyn's pronouncements two Labour MPs spoke out.

Kate Hoey, Labour: ‘I hope Jeremy realises that to divert from the recent manifesto would be a hammer blow to those Labour supporters all across the country who came back and voted for us precisely because of our unequivocal position on leaving the EU.’

Labour Eurosceptic Graham Stringer said it was vital to keep the party’s pledge to make a clean break with the EU, adding: ‘Anything less would be a betrayal.’

The seamless border security number plate recognition systems technology is feasible although difficult on the scale of the NI border, but according to the Financial Times “the technology doesn’t exist today and to make it foolproof and secure will take time.”
Many years is the estimate.
FT 19th February. Can’t copy the link.

Look at the complete U turn on Brexit by the Labour Party.

Can we believe they a) have policies
and b) that they believe in them?

This was the declaration made by Shadow International Trade Secretary Barry Gardiner last August in the opinion pages of The Guardian in an article headlined

Brexit means leaving the single market and the customs union

He wrote:

“Other countries such as Turkey have a separate customs union agreement with the EU. If we were to have a similar agreement, several things would follow:

* the EU’s 27 members would set the common tariffs and Britain would have no say in how they were set.

*We would be unable to enter into any separate bilateral free trade agreement.

*We would be obliged to align our regulatory regime with the EU in all areas covered by the union, without any say in the rules we had to adopt.

*And we would be bound by the case law of the ECJ, even though we would have no power to bring a case to the court.

As a transitional phase, a customs union agreement might be thought to have some merit. However, *as an end point it is deeply unattractive.

*It would preclude us from making our own independent trade agreements with our five largest export markets outside the EU (the US, China, Japan, Australia and the Gulf states).

More importantly, were, say, the EU to negotiate an agreement with the US that was in the union’s best interests but against our own, our markets would be obliged to accept American produce with no guarantee of reciprocal access for our own goods into the US.”

This, from Labour's Shadow international Trade Secretary just 6 months ago.

People voted for Labour because they pledged to leave the EU. Talk about stabbing those of their own in the back.

I feel so sorry for those Labour voters who have been given the finger by Corbyn. They have been stitched up. Totally betrayed by the party's about-turn.

A transition period would help Petra. You do have to ask, of all governments, why some of this was not already in place.

Not a complete u-turn.
Lots of what was said today was in the manifesto.

"More importantly, were, say, the EU to negotiate an agreement with the US that was in the union’s best interests but against our own, our markets would be obliged to accept American produce with no guarantee of reciprocal access for our own goods into the US.”

EU regulations are much stricter than the potential UK ones with regard to a UK/US agreement, particularly if Fox gets his way.

Why do you quote Kate Hoey?
Her own constituency want rid of her now.

Most Labour voters voted Remain. Corbyn is moving in the right direction, but he hasn't quite got there yet.

Because he wants to take the rest along with him?

Varian do you mean Labour members or Labour voters?
I had heard that two thirds of Labour constituences had voted for Leave.

varian meant what she said.

75% of Labour voters backed Remain, but 66% of labour constituencies voted for Leave. A bit confusing. Obviously there was a high concentration of Leave voters in some constituencies (e.g. Boston, Basildon, Hull, Stoke, Doncaster).

I think Labour voters generally welcome Corbyn’s clarification of Labour’s Brexit thinking, not considering it a “backtracking” or “betrayal” at all.

And Sunderland.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/02/26/on-the-balance-of-both-probabilities-and-economic-and-political-sanity-jeremy-corbyn-did-a-good-mornings-work/

A good article. What I like is that the comments are always sensible, too, on the whole.

DUP and “cheap opportunism”! dj
LOL!

durhamjen

"Why do you quote Kate Hoey?
Her own constituency want rid of her now"
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I think you mean the Labour Party members in her constituency ' want rid of her '. Nice term to use by the way but par for the course in Corbyns ' Kinder Politics Era. '

They are a different entity to the ' voters ' in Kate Hoey's constituency who may not ' want rid of her '.

Kate Hoey is a successful Labour MP in her constituency and was openly a Leave voter in the E U Referendum. If her constituency wanted ' rid of her ' they had the opportunity to do so in the last General Election but in 2017 she held on to the seat of Vauxhall winning 57.4% of the vote (31,576) which was a 3.6% increase from 2015.

Now it could well be the case she continues to be a target for deselection by the Local Labour Party members and she will be ' got rid of ' but if they do not deselect her it will be up to the voters of Vauxhall to give her their backing or not.

However I dare say Kate Hoey and the many other Labour MP's worried about deselection are so used to the calls for their deselection they are used to it by now. Another pointer to Corbyns ' Kinder Politics Era'.

Her constituency voted to remain, so not just Labour wanting her out.
What's wrong with that?
She wants a hard Brexit and thinks the Good Friday Agreement is unsustainable.
She's Irish and couldn't care less about Ireland.
It's nothing to do with Momentum, either, or Jeremy Corbyn. Her constituents feel let down by her.
Constituents are allowed to deselect, aren't they? It's called democracy.
"Democracy isn't democracy if you are not allowed to change your mind."

What do you expect me to say - oh, dear, poor old Kate Hoey rebels against the party and they have kindly asked her to leave, but I feel really sorry for her. She shouldn't be treated like that.

On 8 Feb 2017: Kate Hoey voted against seeking to protect the residence rights of citizens of the European Union and their family members who were lawfully resident in the United Kingdom on 23 June 2016.

On 13 Mar 2017: Kate Hoey voted against guaranteeing EU derived rights, and the potential to acquire residency rights, for EU and EEA citizens legally resident in the UK.

Kate Hoey couldn't care less about the rights of EU citizens already living here. I imagine there are quite a few in Vauxhall. That's not kinder politics.

Dou you realise how many times Corbyn rebelled against the Labour Party?

All the ‘kinder politics’ stuff is laughable when you consider how activists are sticking the knives in!

Maybe Hoey cares more about the rights of British citizens,
Now there’s a first!

Kate Hoey has rebelled 400 times since 1997.
Corbyn has rebelled 500 times. She's not that far behind, is she?

"I think Labour voters generally welcome Corbyn’s clarification of Labour’s Brexit thinking, not considering it a “backtracking” or “betrayal” at all."

That may comfort you but most sources are saying Corbyn is looking for power and using Brexit as his vehicle in hoping to split the commons. He was a renowned Eurosceptic, even at the time of the referendum when he kept a very low profile because he believed we should leave the EU.

It's amazing how this 'man of principle' has ditched them because he sniffs a bit of power. He is showing himself to be a dishonest, self seeking, hypocritical Socialist. He has even taken a giant airbrush to his website, cleansing it of all the things he once stood for. Fortunately, most of them were recorded and people do have long memories.

He has sold out for the sake of power. I wonder if he can live with his conscience?