Labour back tracks and betrays the British public over Brexit.

And yet he also says that we still need all the things that the EU gave us anyway. And, on the news just now a member of the govt [energy secretary?] has just said this is the biggest non wartime challenge that any govt had ever had to face. Didn't they say leaving the EU would be 'easy'; do they not think that some of us have memories?? I'm disgusted that the news also said that Labour are letting down their supporters by this stance; from what I've heard from fellow Labour voters, most of us want to stay in the customs union and the single market, so it's only a minority that he's 'letting down' [that and the UKIP[ vote that everyone is so desperate for]. Still feel that no one represents me in any way any more.

Pressure is now on tegan to stay in single market. Don’t get despondent there is everything to play for. The nastier the headlines the more we will know we are winning the argument.

Why is it so difficult for the BBC political commentators (all highly qualified and experienced - and extremely well paid) to make fair comments about Labour’s policies?

Yes John Humphreys, Nick Robinson, David Dimbleby, Norman Smith, and Laura Kuenssberg, I mean you! Andrew Neil and Andrew Marr are a little more even handed sometimes, but not always.

Surely ww Norman Smith (BBC assistant political editor) should make it his business to know what was on the Referendum ballot paper. Is it just sloppy reporting - or is it deliberate?
The 51% didn’t vote to come out of the single market or customs union as that wasn’t on the ballot paper.

mostly just heard another howler on Brexit broadcasting when talking about tweeted reaction which they read out - 3 | two Tory and one SNP. Saying that’s the reaction so far. All 3 negative.

My god there are millions of tweeted reaction, and some brilliant comments, it wouldn’t have killed them to read out one.

mostly I used to think it sloppy reporting which was bad enough but now I no longer believe that. The balance has completely gone and the BBC is no longer a trusted go to imo for political reaction.

I’m afraid I agree ww. You used to be able to rely on an impartial BBC, but not any longer.

They seem to have forgotten what journalism is about. They will challenge everything from today and, to give them their due although it still isn't right, they will no doubt challenge everything from May's speech. But they are journalists not the government or the opposition and I would rather they reported. The interviewing of their own reporters drives me up the wall. How about a few real people?

I so agree with you about what was on the ballot paper Mostly. Why, oh why is Farage allowed to come on once again and tell us what people voted for. He knows no more than we do!

No, petra, but there will be.
There are border posts between Norway and Sweden.

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-ireland-border-customs-norway-sweden/

If the UK leaves the EU, because they want control of our borders, EU countries will want control of their borders where UK citizens are concerned. Why wouldn't they?
Why do you think there is all the worry of lorry parks at the channel tunnel in Kent?

infacts.org/dup-shafted-irish-sea-border-brexit-deal/

They can't even sort out this border.

Tories betraying the British public here.

inews.co.uk/news/uk/shoppers-may-forced-buy-inferior-milk-america-post-brexit-trade-deal-us/

Why do you think there is all the worry of lorry parks at the channel tunnel in Kent?

And why do you think there's all the worry about NI and the Good Friday Agreement? It's all about the border between EU member, Ireland, and non-EU member, UK.

Not that Leavers seem to care very much about reigniting the Troubles in NI. Or about anyone who might be badly affected by Brexit...

Am surprised by some posters thinking the BBC is biased against Labour, of course it isn’t.It always used to be said that it was biased too much for Labour, today I would say it’s even handed with reporting.
Politicians and political parties have to be able to take criticism and so do voters of those parties.
No doubt people would like it if they only said good things about the party that they support, but thankfully it doesn’t work that way.

^Interesting that Corbyn says the EU is not the source of all enlightenment and that leaving it will not spell doom! Some of us have been saying that for ages!
He also says Brexit is what we make of it, together......another thing some of us have been saying for ages.^

People on both sides have been saying that Lemons. Have you not been listening perhaps? Imo, the real "majority" probably comprised people who were neither 100% for or 100% against. Sadly, of all the politicians, I only remember Corbyn being prepared to say that was how he felt. Didn't he say he was something like 75% for staying in? No moral high ground for the "we must leave under any circumstances" group because of what he said today; that's for certain.

Am surprised by some posters thinking the BBC is biased against Labour, of course it isn’t

And you know that how? Or is it just another opinion presented as a fact?

It’s from watching and listening to endless tv and radio interviews and political programmes.I haven’t seen any that are biased all one way.

Primrose. Thank you for your patronising answer. I think I understood the speech as well as most people - that was not the question I was posing.

durhamjen & MaizieD
I like to think that you have read about all the new technology that is being prepared for our borders for when we leave.
Goods being cleared at source by a customs officer. We had to employ one of these people once.
Updated number plate recognition.
All this stuff isn't rocket science but it takes goodwill by us and the eu.

And costs a fortune Petra.

Is every one of the two or three hundred crossing points on the Irish border to be manned or monitored? If not any EU citizen would have no bother getting free access into the UK. Isn't that what the leave voters desperately want to prevent?

And would it be fully working in time for Brexit?

Corbyn's pronouncements and change in Labour policy regarding a custom union described as a "dog's breakfast" and "ambiguous."

Basically, he wants to prevent the UK trading with the world and allow the 27 other member states to dictate the terms. No way will Brussels let us do things on Corbyn's terms.

"Takes goodwill by us and the EU."
That's what existed before you and your pals voted for us to leave the EU.

What exactly will it mean for business to change from an entirely seamless streamlined customs union to one of carrying out business in a country outside of the EU?

Imagine a very simple transaction. On the day after Brexit.

Business is selling say food processors and and is exporting them to Poland. Lorries is loaded and drives to Dover to sail to Calais .
Calais - until now huge lorries have simply driven off the shuttle and continued in its journey. Now the cargo carries none of the assurance it once did of complying with the EU standards and paperwork. Inspectors will need to take samples off for testing for compliance. Everything will have to be assessed from the information on the packaging to the components of the processors. The lorry cannot enter the EU until these samples have been found to comply with EU regs. On that shuttle there were a number of lorries all with the same issues. The ferry carries many more and this shuttle travels back and forth many times a day as do the ferries. It doesn’t take much imagination to understand the sort of bottleneck that is going to occur with it stretching back up the M20. In fact the M20 is being prepared at the moment.

For the export of animal products the problem will be more severe. They are only allowed into the EU through specially designated entry inspection posts. None at present exist olong the border between the U.K. and EU!

This is the most simple explanation of trade after Brexit with the EU and that is before we look at country of origin, the fact that other countries in the world who accept the uks imports with EU assurances on the goods will no longer do so.
We will need an army of customs and excise officers. They take up to 2 years too train. No employment drive has yet begun.
I haven’t even looked at NI
This is a simple explanation.
That is why a CU is such a good idea.

And it isn’t right to say that we can’t trade with the rest of the world.

Why do you think Germany has so many more trade deals with China than the U.K.?
Answer cars! But it has not stopped Germany trading with China. I can give a lot more examples.
Can’t trade because we belong to CU? Nonsense.