Corbyn's Elasticity

I agree Annie. It's remarkable how this debate gets broadened out and generalised, then the broad generalisations are compared against broad generalisations of other groups and everyone can pat themselves on the back and say there's no problem.

It realy is ridiculous Primrose, Corbyn is now a victim , and anti semetism in the Labour Party is excused because it's in other parties .

Interesting letters Yggdrasil. I think we are beginning to see some thinking through the details and the wider issues of this at last.

Annie, I know you have issues about Corbyn, but he is not and never has been racist or anti-semitic. There may be a problem in the wider Labour party, as in the rest of the country.

Just look at the sources of those accusations.

He may not be anti-semitic.
He supports people and groups who are anti-semitic.
He was in FB groups that were openly anti-semitic.
He supports murals that were anti-semitic.

That's why it's very much his problem as well as a problem in the wider Labour Party.

Well Primrose65 the only one of those that has an element of truth in it is the Facebook statement and as I previously pointed out there were other MPs who were members of the same group. You don't seem to have an issue with them.
The only problem that exists is yours- It's an inability to see the truth.

Yggdrasil, I do have a problem with his hypocrisy

Please can we have an emoticon showing someone with fingers in their ears and whistling, for use when a poster keeps repeating them selves.

Can I ask a question. This is not anything other than a question to which I would like to know the answer to.

What laws have been broken?

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It's always interesting to see how our domestic political events are reported overseas. Opinion piece in the New York Times (no paywall - you get a few free articles)

www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/opinion/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semite.html

So Primrose, what laws do you thing have been broken over the anti-Semitism affair. I'm sure you will have an answer and I am really interested.

It’s wrong to suggest their true purpose is thwarting the Corbyn project, as if the Jews who demonstrated in Westminster on Monday are pretending to be outraged by anti-Jewish racism when their real motive is stopping the renationalisation of the railways.

This needs to be stressed because what lies beneath such a view is a notion that is itself antisemitic: that Jews do not act sincerely, but always with an ulterior motive or hidden agenda.

Put another way, hasn’t history shown us that racism never stays confined to mere “pockets”? Once the virus is inside, it does not rest until it has infected the entire body.

Good opinion piece in the Guardian
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/30/antisemitism-jews-canary-coalmine-fake-news

So Primrose, what laws have been broken?

Labour poll says antisemitism row is exaggerated

Interesting to hear the BBC commenting on this and saying that it shows the loyalty of LP members and it must "add to the sense of isolation of those Labour MPs who signed the letter midweek calling Corbyn out" they also then referred back to the part social media plays in this. They sounded surprised that anyone disagreed with the view they have taken on this.

It seems this "story" (which is all the journalists see it as" has run it's course and we have reached the "Hitler" moment thanks to the obnoxious Lord Sugar.

twitter.com/Lord_Sugar/status/979737718660980736

- not being used as an attack on Corbyn. Your having a laugh.

Criticism of May is constructive criticism, criticism of Corbyn is a plot . He must be roaring with laughter at how easy it is to fool some. None so blind as those who choose not to see ?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-has-been-lost-to-fools-and-crackpots-hlv783z7j

But for Corbyn and his supporters there are only sides. Enemies and allies; traitors (crush them!) and the righteous. Either you are 100 per cent Corbyn4PM or you hate the disabled, support genocide in Iraq, think benefit claimants should die. There is no room for debate, compromise, legitimate concerns, doubt. Any means is justified by the socialist end, even Holocaust denial: report it and, as in the case of council candidate Alan Bull, Momentum’s Christine Shawcroft will rule it a “partisan dispute”.

Now we who have seen Jeremy for what he is and can’t forget must listen to the young who hope he will end their student debt and build them homes, and regard him as a cuddly grandad. We meanwhile wonder how long we can stay in a party lost to conspiracy crackpots and vicious fools.

It certainly does sound like a call for International Rescue. I wonder when David Milliband is coming back to the UK to sort this all out.

Primrose the link you made to the NYT was written by someone who turns out to be against "staunchly liberal-left" newspapers and only seems to have written for right wing Jewish papers before the NYT. No problem with that, of course, but hardly an unbiased source.

So good to read the truth , thank you Primrose

Still trying to form my own opinion about what has been happening so still asking what law has been broken.

I am beginning to assume 'none' is the answer. I am sure you would have replied otherwise Primrose.

David Milliband would have made and excellent Leader of the LP and PM. Sadly he isn’t in the pockets of the unions so some how can’t see it.

Don’t know where the “sadly” came from. Nothing sad about having your own mind.

Corbyn defended that mural - but didn't realy see it

Corbyn joined a racist group - but didn't read the posts

Shawcroft defended an anti semetic twitter - but didn't know the details.

Another opinion piece from the right, anti-Corbyn side of the argument Primrose. I am now much more interested in facts. Obviously distraction from the appalling May government is needed but I am now beginning to think it must really be more appalling than I thought to make the MSN need to produce so many opinion pieces like this.