Corbyn's Elasticity

Thank you Primrose, so Corbyn lied when he said it was shown to him as he was on his way to vote

I am sorry you didn't understand what I was saying Primrose. I am not at all sure that explaining again will make it any clearer and the sun is out and I have other things to do. My apologies once again.

Not necessarily Annie There were probably votes happening on Wednesday evening. I imagine he was approached by her and said 'I have to vote' as an excuse not to engage and discuss the topic. Then he uses that non-engagement as the reason why he did nothing.
The same way as he runs away from reporters when he doesn't want to engage.

Thank you Primrose, I didn't know members of the Lords could enter the commons . So another behind the glass door moment

Perhaps she met him on the way into the Commons or has a special privilege as Leader of the House of Lords? I'm working here to give him the benefit of the doubt!

Possibly Primrose , but he dodged discussing it

As a welcome break from the antisemitism debate, here's a recording of Momentum explaining how they're going to oust the moderate Labour group leader in Wandsworth.

I must admit their meetings sound pretty dull. I much prefer the Peoples Front of Wandsworth to all this Wandsworth Popular People's Front rubbish.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/momentum-plots-new-power-grab-secret-tapes-reveal-activists-conspiring-against-moderate-labour-chief-a3800041.html

evolvepolitics.com/yougov-polls-show-anti-semitism-in-labour-has-actually-reduced-dramatically-since-jeremy-corbyn-became-leader/
yougov conducted surveys on antisemitism across political parties in 2015 and 2017. Comparison between the two demonstrate that antisemitism has reduced under Corbyn. Not so the Tories. This is a confected attack on Corbyn to distract from the Referendum rigging scandal which they, the tories are desperately trying to flush.

“2015, 22% of Labour voters agreed with the statement that ‘Jews chase money more than other people’, whilst in 2017 the number of Labour voters agreeing with the statement had declined to 14%”

“These results compare with 31% of Conservative voters who agreed with the statement that ‘Jews chase money more than other people’ in 2015, whilst in 2017 this had declined slightly to 27% who still agreed with the statement”.

Primrose, thank you for that link , they are determined to take over the party and they will , they are further in than having one foot in the door,

Apologies to yggdrasil I’ve just noticed that you posted a link to the above survey yesterday.

I think that you're missing the point mostlyharmless

Labour voters are not necessarily members of the Labour Party and simply highlighting the shocking prevalence of antisemitism is no defence.

Back in the 70's there was widespread racism in the UK. Plenty of TV shows that were popular family viewing would make people cringe now. I remember going to Rock Against Racism concerts then. I don't remember anyone on the left or in the LP saying that racism was not a problem in the LP because people who vote Tory were 'a bit more racist'. The left lead the way in changing the culture and making racism unacceptable. It's something to be proud of.

Corbyn has been called to show leadership on this. I can see that he is struggling, as some pillars of his own support are clearly anti-semitic and some causes that he has supported are too. It's disappointing that he cannot mobilise his network to start to create a culture in the LP where any form of racism, including antisemitism, is not acceptable.

The left lead the way in changing the culture and making racism unacceptable.
Well put Primrose. I totally agree.
But you’re happy to ignore the evidence in the survey which proves just that!
Or are you saying that there would be even less anti-semtism and racism under a different leader?
Tony Blair? Ed Miliband? Andy Burnham? Chuka Umunna? Keir Starmer? Yvette Cooper?

This is disgusting - will those using the anti-Semitic stick to beat others with stand up now for the Muslims?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/leave-eu-ukip-antisemitism-muslim-islam-tweet-brexit-jewish-message-police-a8280506.html

Primrose said " As a welcome break from the antisemitism debate, here's a recording of Momentum explaining how they're going to oust the moderate Labour group leader in Wandsworth. "

I listened to it. It sounds very reasonable to me. They don't want the semi-tories who support Blair to hang on to the council. But those councillors don't seem to have any Labour agenda/
I'd like to hear what went on in the Council chamber re their strategy as well :-)

I have no problem condemning racism and that Leave EU tweet was a disgrace.
It does highlight how racist material is shared on social media and how blatant it is.
I would absolutely expect any MP or local councillor of any party who 'likes' it or 'retweets' it to be publically questioned. I wouldn't call that questioning a smear. If that person was a Tory, I wouldn't think it was a plot against May. If they said they shared it by accident, because they didn't see it properly, or they didn't understand that this is racist, I would consider that pretty pathetic.

I think that makes my position pretty clear.

I also think language like 'using the anti-Semitic stick to beat others' is very unhelpful. We can all stand up for Jews and for Muslims - it's not an either/or decision. I was pleased that this offensive tweet was quickly condemned by the Jewish community, who said that the Muslim community were some of their best allies in the fight against anti-semitism.

You and others on here have made what is a cultural issue one specific to the Labour party and Jeremy Corbyn Primrose, so I do believe it was used as a stick to beat others with.

During the pre referendum period I used to visit and watch another forum. The racism - from the Brexit supporters, in this case, but it happens with all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons, was so bad that the forum owner put the threads in a special place that you had to sign into with your password - so they didn't offend the other members but you could still take part if you wanted to. They stopped of course because their aim was to gain power by shocking others, beat down their ability to argue by stunning them into silence.

There is a problem of anti almost any group in the world and inappropriate and "unhelpful" language is used by many. If you did a survey in your local golf club of how many started their sentences with "I am not racist but ..." I wonder if the results would have you and other marching on parliament against golf clubs and the leaders of golf clubs?

You can choose who you talk to on GN , easy enough to PM if you so wish.

'We all need to do better': Jeremy Corbyn's Passover message to the Jewish community

I don't know what you mean by antisemitism being a cultural issue GG. Do you mean there's a culture within the LP of being antisemitic?

I supported Blair and no way a semi Tory , but I am not a supporter of militancy, communism etc.

A Passover Message. How low can this man sink, has he no scruples.

I don't know how well this has been received by the Jewish community but it's only words at the moment. I'm more interested in his actions.

actions speak louder than words !

Here are some letters written to the Guardian

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/30/labour-antisemitism-and-criticism-of-israel?CMP=twt_gu

What rubbish, what he has done and said in his past has been done and said, if he hadn't done and said them there would nothing to dredge up as one Corbyn devotee claims