Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

Always wise to hear grass roots supporters from all walks of life, one gets a more balanced view , only listening to union activists is not wise , one just becomes a parrot repeating what one has learned from a very small percentage of voters

Absolutely Annie
Grandad43 in that case you must think Corbyn should have been kicked out when Blair was PM? Also any other MP who didn’t toe the line?
There were, what, 170 LP MP’s who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn a couple of years ago.I shouldn't think
That any of them are still happy with Corbyn and they would still be glad to see him go but they are good Labour MP’s even so.Nobody should be deselected because they disagree.

Grandad those which pay the Labour party's bills and provide its core support choose by debate and majority what those policies should be

I cannot believe that you could say that. On the same basis can we expect you to approve when powerful business leaders pay the Conservative party's bills and provide its core support choose by debate and majority what those policies should be

It just shows how far the Labour Party has completely lost its moral compass.

If as supported by Grampa1943 , MP's who didn't fall into the party line should be deselected, 121 labour MP's would have faced deselection in 2003, Comrade Corbyn being one.

anniebach, in regard to your posting today (27/04/18 @17:03), if you had read what I stated thoroughly you would have seen I stated "The above persons are often not only trade union reps and activists within their employment, but also lay branch and district organisers for both their union and labour party at that level."

Labour party members anniebach, so would you please read subject matter correctly before pouring out your usual right wing bile and naming posters as "parrots". Also I and I would sugest also that you anniebach have no way of assessing what the wider electorate views on any political matter are. I stated that I felt the views I portrayed in my above posting were very much of those I engaged with I my work and are exclusively their views as card carrying members of their trade union and labour party members.

AGAIN READ THINGS THOROUGHLY AND CORRECTLY ANNIEBATCH AND FOR ONCE YOU MAY JUST GET IT RIGHT.

Lemongrove, in regard to your posting following anniebach, it would have made no difference whether any Constituency Labour party felt their MP should be deselected during the era of Blair/Brown leadership. In that period all Parliamentary candidates were selected by Blair/Brown and their cohort's on the very small national executive committee and then"parachuted" in on all constituency parties who had little or no say in their selection or de-selection.

So much for the centre ground democracy you so crave for again in the Labour party Lemongrove.

Grandad - Remaining as an MP and accepting a salary while in a party whose policies and leadership you do not believe in or support is entirely unacceptable at any level

Even if, during your time in office the party was hi-jacked by a far left faction, fully supporting the Marxist leader and his henchmen? Corbyn has formed an impenetrable inner circle of dodgy characters around himself, ignoring repeatedly his own MPs. Fair on them?

He has proved himself to be incompetent time and time again, and his lack of leadership regarding the Salisbury poisonings and the matter of anti-Semitism existing within his party is indicative of his lack of conviction and vacillation. He has been relying solely on his far-left , circle and Momentum backing to be his cheerleaders. he has become an icon. The cult of personality is frightening and it has worked to exclude MPs who might protest againt this takeover.

Yes, that seem perfectly fair - NOT.

Grandad - AGAIN READ THINGS THOROUGHLY AND CORRECTLY ANNIEBATCH AND FOR ONCE YOU MAY JUST GET IT RIGHT.

Oh the uppercase irony - or is it deliberate?
Surely by now, and it's been pointed out to you, you could get it right? Annie is AnnieBACH.

You could take a leaf out of your own book.

Day6, under Corbyns leadership the party has been returned to its grassroots membership and they now decide what "their" parties policies should be, that's democracy.

Corbyn incompetent. Under his leadership the Labour party has grown to over half a million strong in membership. If that's incompetence what would you call the leadership of the Concervative party now believed to be around seventy thousand nationally with an average age of seventy one (LOL).

Anyway I am off to have a nice meal and evening out with my wife and some friends here on the Bristol Channel coast where it is now quite a nice evening. so, by all

Grandpa43, One of the most significant traits of the extreme left wing political posters on GN is that they always ignore the posts that say anything that might make them feel uncomfortable.

I assume therefore that you believe this country should be run with the economic efficiency and political absolutism of Venzuela, China or Russia and that you believe that political parties should have their policies dictated to them by their paymasters.

By the way it is the union leaders who make the policy decisions not the members. I have been a union member for nearly 30 years and have never paid anything into the political fund nor always supported my unions political policies. My experience is that many people feel uncomfortable opting out of paying political dues, so pay while disagreeing with the unions political policy.

Over the last few decades Labour, Conservative and Libdems policies have shifted constantly. Are MPs redundant because they don’t find they can’t change their opinion with every subtle change? Some MPs have been in the HofC for many decades. Dennis Skinner and Ken Clarke for example.
Agreeing with the underlying principles of their Party is the important thing not necessarily agreeing with every single point in every policy.

Grandad 1943, please do raise your voice to me, I have encountered many far left supporters, for some reason they think bullying works , I will not be shouted at or shouted down

Good grief Grandad - are you Jon Lansman in disguise?

I think Grandad has told us that he is a West Country businessman Day6

Labour party members anniebach, so would you please read subject matter correctly before pouring out your usual right wing bile
You obviously know very little about Anniebach,Grandad - perhaps you should read the subject matter more carefulloy before commenting?
And, just a comment on my part, but what makes you think that your RIGHT is right? It could be most people's WRONG.

And I will not criticise anyone who could be dyslexic so that is perhaps why you keep referring to her as Anniebatch.

on the Bristol Channel coast where it is now quite a nice evening.
well, it has stopped raining but I wouldn't call it a nice evening (very cloudy)

Since Anniebach has been a lifelong LP supporter, calling her posts ‘right wing bile’ is not only nonsense, but laughable.
Anyone who doesn’t support Corbyn is now called ‘right wing’ which shows how far left things have slid.
All the hate, antisemitism and general ghastlyness in and around the LP come from Marxist activists determined to push through their agenda since Corbyn was elected.
A pity that you can’t see that Grandad43

Michael Foot took the party back to Corbyn's dream , 1983 election ?

As a long standing Labour Party member, I think the party should continue to be a “Broad Church”. I don’t like hearing about people being deselected if they don’t tow the party line grandad.
A voice of reason.

Grandad1943 some advice about posting on these threads (although you probably don't need it)
1. Anything slightly to the left of centre will be condemned as Marxist or communist.
2. Any party proposing such notions will be accused of trying to create a government like Venezuela.
3. Anniebach is a long term member of the Labour Party and as such is above any criticism, although her posts are usually more right wing than many conservatives.
4. None of the posters who make accusations about Marxism are right wing (although you might assume they were from their posts)
Many of us have tried to bring reason and create evidence based discussions. We have all failed.
Good Luck!!!

Evidence based ? Oh yes Corbyn was responsible for the Good Friday Agreement . Vox Pox writer Mike Sivier , Holocaust Denier , posted on this forum.

We use to be given 'facts' by Mid Wales Mike.

Mike Sivier is/was Mid Wales Mike

Trish you forgot to mention comparisons with Russia and that all the more left wing posters will never address any issues that they do not feel comfortable with.

Granddad43 said 'he who pays the piper calls the tune. The trade unions fund the Labour Party so should dictate the policy. Presumably he would consider it acceptable that industrial magnates and very rich men can pay for the Conservative Party and dictate its policy.

Many of us have tried to bring reason and create evidence based discussions. We have all failed. I quite agree we have all failed.

It appears that for some people it is OK for a few super-rich individuals and a handful of huge corporations to donate to the Conservative Party and have their interests pushed to the forefront.

But the same people find it unacceptable for trade unions, consisting of thousands of working people, to represent their, and their families', interests. And it seems even the 500,000 plus Labour Party members who also contribute to party funds are seen by some to be undesirable.

So if the Conservatives are funded by the super-rich and an ever-decreasing handful of ordinary members, how is the Labour Party meant to continue if it cannot depend on members' subs and trade union funds?

I think most people find both unacceptable. What seems to be happening is that some want their cake and eat it. Get money from the Unions/immensely rich individuals while condemning those who get their money from rich individuals/Unions.

Who are the immensely rich who have a desk in Tory HQ, McClusky has one in Labour HQ

Perhaps the time has come to consider public funding of political parties as they do in Germany, Spain, Australia, Canada, Sweden etc.
Cash for Honours is now illegal here, but you can’t help notice that big party donors often receive lucrative contracts.

Carillion, Virgin and BAE are all Conservative party donors and have all received government contracts.