Comrade Corbychev's Cock-Ups

....and an important point ( to the poster who said it) it isn’t a hamster wearing a Russian hat it’s a guinea pig.

trisher nothing will change regarding all the concerns about homeless, food banks, privatisation going too far as long as Labour remains unelectable under Corbyn et al.

Unfortunately, Welsh education is lagging behind the rest of the UK - under Labour. Unfortunately, "every child matters" doesn't seem to be applied there.

The only way ahead for any change to come about is for the moderates to take charge of the LP - with sensible, moderate ideals.

And the acclamation and encouragement they give each other is positively childish. Unfortunately they continue to post the same rubbish, believing apparently they have won some sort of battle when people give up
I will leave you 'ladies' to entertain each other.

I was against the war in .iraq but remained a Blair supporter and very much a Gordon Brown supporter, he is a true socialist as am I. My fifty years as a party member is mocked daily by a poster who claims not to be a Labour Party member yet TELLS me what to say at LP meetings .

1945 brought in a government which did much good, it was booted out after five years , Blair won three consecutive elections , the only labour leader to do this. How can left of centre be wrong , the far left took us to the 1983 defeat which was humiliating and took fourteen years to work back from, and we did work, .kinnock worked , we got back because we went back to the center.

Just when I thought we could have a sensible discussion as the poster you are supporting seems to be taking a break.

Never mind.

Sorry trisher I am not going to trawl through old threads to find them - I am sure other GNs will remember them even if you seem to have a selective memory.

You are stating again that those who vote Tory are racist and intolerant and once again claiming that only those on the left care about those less fortunate. This is unfair on those of us who are actively helping those in need.

That post was to trisher, hoping we could get back to politics.

Trisher, you are very blinkered.

At least admit as real Tories do that you don't care

Why this demand? You don't know me.

a) I am a floating voter, and always have been.
b) I care deeply about many things.
c) I spent all of my working life in deprived inner cities working with the most disadvantaged in the community.
d) I volunteer for a charity which helps the homeless.
e) I participate in fund-raising whenever I can.
f) I'd vote Conservative if there was an election tomorrow.
g) I am of working class origin and have little disposable income.
h) I suffer from many chronic illnesses.

That's the profile of this voter.

Trisher, you make lots of assumptions. The world has moved on.

But do carry on with the tired old image of DM reader and selfish. Is that one of the "Insults To Use On Those Who Don't Vote Labour" in the party handbook?

We could play buzzword bingo with that one when left wing posters hurl abuse.

Well, we do keep trying to Jalima

Apologies to the guinea pig in the playground lemongrove. And I do hope he didn’t mind being dressed up for the photo. I hate to see animals dressed up.

I am not keen on Blair at all (don't suggest that he comes back grin)

Oh no, nor I Jalima. The man is revolting and of the champagne socialist ilk. I despised him, found him fake.

Is there no middle ground - faux extremely wealthy socialists who live the high life or rebellious, hard left Marxists intent on over-throw of the establishment?

Where on earth do ordinary mortals fit in to what Labour offers of late?

And I do hope he didn’t mind being dressed up for the photo. I hate to see animals dressed up.
Photoshopped Mostlyh

Although I do have a lovely photo of our dog when DD, aged about 5, dressed him up - they are both sitting together, smiling.

sorry, back to politics.

Is there no middle ground
Yes, there is and many decent, hardworking constituency MPs, but many of them are having a hard time from left-wing activists.

I too hope there is a middle ground Day6 Currently I am a Tory voter, simply because I no longer recognise the Labour Party my parents supported and campaigned for. If a sensible middle ground party were to emerge then I and probably many like me would return to the fold.

With regard to Jeremy Corbyn, who had even heard of him before the leadership election, apart from his constituents? He spent over 30 years in relative obscurity, if he had shown any aptitude for leadership he would surely have been better known. As I have said before I think he is probably a decent man but he is completely out of his depth.

By the way is there any news on his visit to Barnet?

I think that many have said on here that they would vote Labour and many believe that Labour would have an overwhelming victory at a GE if only they moved from the extreme left to a more moderate stance - with new leadership and without Momentum pulling the strings.

Jalima.

Some news on Barnet sunseeker

Adam Langleben ,ex Barnet Councillor and a .jewish Labour Movement colleague turned up to an NEC working group meeting on semitism to contribute to discussion, but weren’t allowed in. Apprarently there had been an invite mix-up. Instead a separate meeting between Jennie Formby and a number of JLM officers is set for this afternoon.

Joe Dromey, son of Harriet Harman and .jack Dromey is considering the Heidi Alexander seat, he hasn’t a chance

So Corbyn still isn't going to meet with them. Those who worked so hard before the election must be feeling very frustrated.

I think this is why many moderate Labour supporters do not feel he is leadership material, unfortunately with Momentum in charge I don't see him resigning (until they manage to find someone else of similar ilk to replace him - at which point they will drop him like a hot potato)

Yes, there is and many decent, hardworking constituency MPs, but many of them are having a hard time from left-wing activists.

I agree Jalima but they don't stand a chance of remaining in the Labour Party no it is backed by hard left Momentum. Labour voters must appreciate the hard left is in control?

Those moderates will be deselected if they do not back Corbyn. We know the party was split strongly against Corbyn so what's happened is that the cracks have been papered over. The moderates remain but they are zipping their mouths if they value a political career.

The only way for the Labour party to reshape itself is for those moderates to speak up - but they won't. It's a death wish to speak out against the hard left, because they are in control, right the way down to the vetting of local government candidates.

Labour is doomed.

He spent over 30 years in relative obscurity, if he had shown any aptitude for leadership he would surely have been better known. As I have said before I think he is probably a decent man but he is completely out of his depth

He has been an MP for Islington for decades yet once again shied away from speaking out against the local left wing council and it's appalling record of child abuse.

Liz Davies is a former social worker who tried to blow the whistle on the sexual abuse of children in council-run care homes in Islington in the 1980s and 1990s. Davies met with and attempted to persuade her local MP, Jeremy Corbyn, to support victims and whistleblowers.

She is reported as saying “After that meeting, we never heard another thing. No letter, no phone call, I never, ever saw him speak about it. In fact, whenever I saw Jeremy afterwards, at Stop The War marches and events like that, I’d always go up to him and say: ‘This scandal (child abuse) is still going on, Jeremy.’ He’d be very polite, but he never did anything.”

It is all extremely depressing.

Day6 I think the word that describes him best is ‘hopeless’.

I have given thought to him being a victim , no, I may be so wrong but I believe Margaret Hodge who said ‘I thought he was an honest man but he is a devious man’ . He isn’t academically gifted but if degrees were awarded for deviousness he would earn a first .