Out of touch with what ordinary Scots feel about the Donald?

I’m scottish and I can’t stand him!

I know loads of people who support Mr Trump, myself included. People wouldn't have dared be so rude about Obama, now I wonder why that was and it certainly wasn't because he was a good president.

The sooner that wall across the Mexican border gets built the better. So many Scots seem to detest the English perhaps they would like a wall too and that goes for the Irish Republic as well who are trying to blackmail the UK government with threats of returning to the days of violence if they don't get their own way after Brexit. They have decided their loyalty lies with EU rather than the UK so our only consideration should be for Northern Ireland. Countries we sign free trade agreements with could ship their goods through there bypassing Ireland altogether.

I have never encountered such obnoxious comments about a democratically elected President of the USA. I do so hope he gets re-elected by the American people.

Well quizqueen you have just summed up for me why I am now withdrawing from this forum.
I complained to admin staff about a racist comment on here and was told firmly that Scots are not a race but a nationality therefore they were letting the comment go.
This, I know for a fact, is not the law as it stands.
The definition of racism is
‘The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, so as to to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races”
Both your comments and lillyflowers fall strictly within that category. We are not a hateful race and neither are the Irish. It is you and your comments that are hateful and I refuse to be part of any forum who stands by and allows such things to be said.
Now I truly understand why there are so few Scots on this forum. I dread to think what the world is coming to when grandparents, who should know better, back up in public such intolerant and abusive ideaologies.

Here we go again - the Scots do not detest the English. I have lived in Scotland since the nineteen-fifties, and no-one seems to detest me ! Could it be because I neither detest the Scots nor patronise them, but am aware that they have a history which is just as old as England's and not identical to it? Aware that many of the stories that have become myths and legends can be told from two sides?

The Scots have political opinions, formed by that history and not identical to English ones either. For one thing, they have first-hand experience of Donald Trump as a business man. It is his proud boast that he is bringing his business acumen into his presidency. Hmmm. He inherited a fortune from his father but has not succeeded in adding to it - quite the opposite.

Don't withdraw, Westiegran. Stay and post rebuttals to biassed and blinkered comments like that.

Quizqueen, your post has truly astounded me. You support a man who -

Is a known and proven molester of women
Is racist and supports neo-Nazis
Cares nothing for the environment
Approves of the killing of beautiful animals like elephants
Appears to have a very low IQ - have you read his tweets?
Consistently lies and does the same things he criticised
Obama for

I've never seen a more pitiful human being in public office. The chances of him getting re-elected are zero.

Is the leader of the Scottish Conservatives going to entertain Trump during his visit?

As that could be - um - interesting!

fuck i hope he doesnt get elected.hes an ass and has always been a money/land hungry dick/
as for the wall .it will only cause more trouble.
the criminals and cartels will just come in a different way
3 coasts and another border in the north,which are alredy being used.
the cure is not a wall .its mexico fixing thier messed up government.
the wall will only slow down the familys looking for a beter life.who want to get away from the whole cartel system that is destroying the countries"south of the border"
these family risk thier lives to crawl across a desert with plastic jugs of water,they risk enslavement by "coyotes"(the transporters that charge insane amounts to "help" them )come over.and then are forced into "employment"to pay what they owe.
if they are coming here to live and work and be citizens i have no problem.
the criminals will find a way around the wall.many tunnels still exist,boats planes dont need a wall.
and scotland,it would seem you have the same problem we have here.where theres money theres assholes.he tried to take the exclusive right to casinos from the american indians in the southwest.and a few states in the northeast.

www.washingtonpost.com/national/donald-trumps-long-history-of-clashes-with-native-americans/2016/07/25/80ea91ca-3d77-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bea7f6c47070

and yes he is a racist

linbrikit
thank you i was running out of energy
hes so exhausting to think about

Cold The leader of the Scottish conservatives is a gay woman who has just announced that she is pregnant by IVF. Yes, a meeting between her and Donald should be interesting!

Seems Kanye West (about whom I know zilch though I've heard the name) has come out in support of Trump.

I rather like this by Sam White, not least for the great photo, but what he quotes Alan Watts saying about Oppenheimer is fascinating.

Couple of Kanye West's tweets at the bottom.

Good posts JenniferEccles ( and a good name too!)

Time to grow up about Leaders/PM/President etc hosting others and making visits.It’s called diplomacy.

I don’t think he will be warmly welcomed in Scotland because of the actions of his company regarding the golf club/course etc but on the other hand, he employs a lot of people there so who knows?

I second what elegran says, westie: don't withdraw. I said your use of racist was incorrect, which it is because Scots are not a separate race from the English. I did not report what you posted to HQ.

The definition of race that you quote is correct. What you seem to suppose constitutes a race is not.

I hate it when any political party say they 'speak for all of the people of Scotland', and that includes our FM Nicola Sturgeon. Until they come and ask me, then they are not speaking for me! Donald Trump is a buffoon of a man, I watched him with Macron, dusting away the poor guys dandruff! Does he not have any idea how insulting that looked! Nope, this here Scot does not want him coming up here, and if he does, I hope non of our politicians start fawning over him!

Macron seemed to cope allright though.

Baggs It may or may not but a reputable news organisation would explain who it was rather than just give their conclusions as fact.

If you don't think the BBC is a reputable news source, don't go there for news.

Those think tanks are, presumably, googleable. And they are still think tanks whatever anyone thinks about their thinking. Surely a news source can quote what think tanks of any kind of thinking are saying and remain reputable?

Beebs' supposed to be impartial anyhow.

Beeb's

Baggs, Macron behaved in a dignified way by ignoring what Trump had done, but I bet inside he wasn't happy, I certainly wouldn't have been! Trump just seems to look down on anybody and everybody. And am I the only one who thinks all this holding hands is a bit strange between grown adults who are not in some kind of a relationship with the other adult. My hubby holds my hand when we are out walking, but if he started holding one of his friends hands I would be getting a bit concerned. And before anyone jumps in about me being possibly homophobic, I mean about hand holding in a completely non sexual way.

Baggs, Macron behaved in a dignified way by ignoring what Trump had done, but I bet inside he wasn't happy

Oh, I agree of course. I just don't think Macron needs anyone to get agitated on his behalf.

According to the Press and Journal, a daily in the north of Scotland, the Tory MP whose area takes in Balmoral has said Donald Trump has visited the north-east on many occasions and contributes to the economy. Tory Andrew Bowie says Mr Trump would be welcome as any visitor is, but Mr Bowie seems not to know the history.

A Lib Dem MSP, Mike Rumbles, is quoted as saying that, while people are entitled to support Mr Trump if they wish, the Royal Family should not be drawn into this.

And Labour MSP Lewis Macdonald is quoted as saying Mr Trump has shredded his own reputation in Scotland just as much as he has done in London.

Mr Macdonald talks about "lonely voices on the far fringes of British politics, who are no more qualified to invite Donald John Trump to Scotland than they are to inflict his company on Her Majesty The Queen".

I think that's a good point. The President of the United States is invited to Britain to confer with the British Prime Minister on a number of national and international issues. But what's wrong with Chequers if they are worried about security for that political - not State - meeting?

And before issuing their letter about switching to Scotland, the tanks should have done a bit more "thinking" and research into how that man has behaved towards the Scots.

There's been a lot of posts regarding respect the office rather than the man but it's the man himself who brings the most ridicule and disrespect to the Presidency of the US with his buffoonery, inane tweets and totally un-statesman like demeanor. And as for him being fairly elected - two words Cambridge Analytica

Years ago we watched a BBC documentary about how Donald Trump went about getting his golf course in Scotland built. He used intimidating and criminal tactics and threatened the local community if they objected to his plans. I could go on. The man is a bastard. A friend of the Scots...I don’t think so!

I cannot believe it that anyone could have something good to say about Trump. He’s a farce!

He’s obviously too stupid to realise how stupid he is. He can barely string a sentence together coherently. He has all the charm of a 2-year old stuck at the tantrum stage and has never progressed beyond adolescence in his sexual fantasies and attitude to women.

He’s a bully, a liar, an egotistic and probably a narcissist too.

What’s to like?

And meanwhile America’s economy is booming .