Regret it Brexit?

If you're not gullible or manipulative, Ag why are you repeating other people's incoherent lies?

I'm not rude to most people, BTW; only to those who have poor forum manners or say exceptionally stupid things

MaizieD

It's Horlicks time! Night night.

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It is only beneficial if the needs of the group are the same How can that be when there are diverse needs across the EEA. well the “need “to have free trade is the same. Just like the USA, Mexico and Canada in NAFTA - do they all have the same “needs”?

Gerispringer these are individual countries determining their own destinies who have entered into a free trade agreement between themselves, similar to the arrangement UK is seeking in exit from the EU.

While ever all you Leavers are convinced that 'the EU' is an evil, malignant monster that does things to the UK, in order to subject it to some kind of mindless tyranny, debating with you is completely pointless. You don't even seem to be able to grasp the idea that 'the EU' is a body of 28 nation states, all of which have an input into decisions.

Perhaps you should take your mate Ag's advice and go away and do some research. Perhaps on how tiny nations with very few tangible products on offer and with a less than tempting potential market might manage to make trade deals more advantageous to them than those they participate in negotiating as part of a massive trading bloc..

MaizieD Your contention that 'your side' is right is mind blowing.
As mentioned earlier both sides are not amalgam ours messes of negative ideologies, though some purport this to be.
The majority are 'normal' people whose life perspectives and experiences have enabled them to develop their views. Some have global perspectives, some parochial, some relish change, some fear it. One thing us for sure, we will all still be here come 2019 unless the doomsayers extend their remit to the end of the world.
Maybe learning to debate than getting irate could help.

Very well said Joelsnan

joelsnan but being a member of a trading bloc entails agreeing to basic standards/ health and safety/ animal welfare / whatever - no country is by that definition truly “ independent “ to do whatever it likes with no regard to others , which is seemingly what Brexiteers want. If you think you can just join some other group of countries trading bloc without agreeing to any rules or paying in any dues then that really is pie in the proverbial. Just saying we’ll all still be here - the sky won’t fall in is just patronising head in the sand stuff. As for healthy debate, you still haven’t addressed the points made about remainers “ hating everything the U.K. has become” when it’s blatantly the other way round, and your assertion that there is simmering unrest in the whole of Europe, when there is little evidence of this.

A majority of the British public – including one in five Leave voters – believe the UK would be better off if the country remained in the European Single Market, a major national Brexit survey has found. The result suggests most voters disagree with both the Government and Labour over their policies to pull out. Overall 56 per cent said the UK would benefit from maintaining current arrangements, meaning frictionless trade and free movement of people across the continent. The vast online survey of almost 220,000 people also showed that just 18 per cent of people are happy with the Brexit negotiations so far.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/big-brexit-survey-eu-uk-single-market-membership/

Do you infringe copyright or any other laws if you copy and paste on here a piece from a Social media site - which was copied and pasted from the original - not a link? Do not want to cause a problem but have found an interesting little bit written by a European national.

As mentioned earlier both sides are not amalgam ours messes of negative ideologies, though some purport this to be.

I've read this sentence several times, joelsnan and I still don't have the faintest idea what idea is being expressed in it.

Nor can I find that your post has any relevance to what I posted.

Lemon should be able to explain it as she thought it was a good post Maizie.
I read it few times and couldn’t make head or tail of that sentence either.

It is interesting how many incoherent pro Brexit posts are applauded as “good posts”.

MazieD and Welshwife Apologies, predictive text appears to have altered words to make my post difficult to comprehend.
Basically what I was saying was please don't clump all those who voted to leave with your very negative and prejudicial views.
The majority of folk who post on this thread have kept to the topic as I say, if you can't debate, don't get irate.

Gerispringer Are you like this all of the time? Dear me!

Like what? I haven’t made any personal remarks thank you.

joelsnanI was making a point about a post, you are making a point about me - that’s personal and I would like an explanation. Thank You.

While ever all you Leavers are convinced that 'the EU' is an evil, malignant monster that does things to the UK, in order to subject it to some kind of mindless tyranny, debating with you is completely pointless.

So, joelsnan, I presume from your indignant posts that you think this is not a fair or accurate description of how you feel about the EU.

Which makes me curious. Is it just your belief that EU negotiated trade agreements are detrimental to British interests that makes you anti EU?

As to 'irate'; I don't think I'm any more irate than you are. You get cross with Remainers who can't get excited about leaping off a cliff into the complete unknown, I get cross with Leavers who think that such behaviour is in any way mature or responsible (and even crosser, I must admit, with Leavers who think its an exciting challenge). Evens, I think.

So, you get cross ( shrug.)

No sense, no feeling, lemon...

Varian. The information taken from INews is extrapolated from an on line survey. This type of survey is known to have disadvantages and systematic bias that people should be aware of:

"Disadvantages of online survey research include uncertainty over the validity of the data and sampling issues, and concerns surrounding the design, implementation, and evaluation of an online survey.
Self‐selection bias is another major limitation of online survey research (Stanton, 1998; Thompson et al., 2003; Wittmer et al., 1999). In any given Internet community, there are undoubtedly some individuals who are more likely than others to complete an online survey. Many Internet communities pay for community operations with advertising. This can desensitize participants to worthwhile survey requests posted on the website. In short, there is a tendency of some individuals to respond to an invitation to participate in an online survey, while others ignore it, leading to a systematic bias.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1083-6101.2005.tb00259.x

MaizieD the point being made by Joelsnan (using a sports analogy) is tackle the ball not the person.

MaisieD: As to 'irate'; I don't think I'm any more irate than you are. You get cross with Remainers who can't get excited about leaping off a cliff into the complete unknown, I get cross with Leavers who think that such behaviour is in any way mature or responsible (and even crosser, I must admit, with Leavers who think its an exciting challenge). Evens, I think.

Why are you getting cross at all. Calm and considered non abusive debate is possible.

Gerispringer "It is interesting how many incoherent pro Brexit posts are applauded as “good posts”."

It is possible that that is because what you consider to be incoherent is not incoherent to everyone. Perspective depends on where you stand Geri.

IMO the result of any survey should be treated with a degree of caution. Qualitative surveys tend to have more in depth questions but focus on a lower % of respondents.

Quantitative surveys on the other hand go for more broader based questions and a greater % of respondents.

The result of any survey is also dependent to a certain degree on the questions asked, how they're framed and just as importantly, questions that don't get asked. It's easy enough to create a bias in order to achieve the result you want to get.