An executive at Airbus says that work on the Galileo sat-nav system will have to be moved out of the UK if the company wins a key contract. Galileo has become something of a political football in Brexit talks. The EU says it would have to stop the UK from accessing the encrypted part of the network when it leaves next year.
Colin Paynter, the company's UK managing director, said that EU rules required Airbus to transfer all work to its factories in France and Germany. Mr Paynter was speaking at a Commons committee hearing on Exiting the European Union on Wednesday.
The system was conceived to give Europe its own satellite-navigation capability - independent of US GPS - for use in telecommunications, commercial applications, by emergency services and the military. Airbus is currently bidding for the renewal of a contract covering the Galileo ground control segment - potentially worth about 200 million euros. This work is currently run out of Portsmouth.
About 100 people are currently employed by Airbus on these services. Most would likely have to move to where the work is, but it's possible some could be reallocated to other projects.
"One of the conditions in that bid documentation from the European Space Agency is that all work has to be led by an EU-based company by March '19," Mr Paynter told the committee. Effectively that means that for Airbus to bid and win that work, we will effectively novate (move) all of the work from the UK to our factories in France and Germany on day one of that contract."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44055475
She was a governess there. The book was based on her governess experiences and falling in love if my memory is right.
Not sure if she was still pretending to be a male author at that time!
You live and learn!
Yes, go and pour a glass of 
Allygran
I may go and have one too, it is the weekend.
Cheers!
Ally“Geri, Geri, Geri your Londoncentric views tell me that you have no idea about life outside of London.”*
Ally your post was at 20.07 , mine a reply at 20.22
Who cast the first offensive stone?
Who called me an extreme right winger?
Goodnight Geri!
Geri you will see that in fact you cast the first started this thread off. As you see you responded to an offensive comment about my post that was nothing about you at all you saw "the London bubble" and somehow rolled Brexit into it and off you went at 18:36:02.
Gerispringer Thu 31-May-18 18:36:02
You’re not alone, I can’t be bothered to read repetitive lengthy posts. I did read something about everyone outside “the London bubble” are thrilled about Brexit and how it is going. I’m not sure what the “london bubble” is , I live in London and didn’t know I was in a bubble. Do I read different news or something?
Allygran1 Thu 31-May-18 18:54:13
Geri how did I guess you are in the "London Bubble". You might as you say be outside of it.
You read the same news you just don't live the same life.
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Gerispringer Thu 31-May-18 19:38:05
What’s different about my life from anyone else’s? Please tell, didn’t know you had such a knowledge of peoples’ lives based on their postcodes.
Gerispringer Thu 31-May-18 19:55:52
I was summarise Allygran in her analysis of the London bubble and her intimate knowledge of the lives of 8 million or so people who live here.
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Allygran1 Thu 31-May-18 20:07:25
Geri, Geri, Geri your Londoncentric views tell me that you have no idea about life outside of London.
Gerispringer Thu 31-May-18 20:19:09
So anyone anti Brexit is “ London centric” ? Plenty of anti Brexters elsewhere though. What about my life is different? Please tell. It’s strange you know all about my life, but obviously I have no knowledge of anyone out in the rest of the countr
Gerispringer Thu 31-May-18 20:22:22
Ally, ally ally, Your narrow, parochial and patronising view of the world indicates you know nothing about the real lives of others.
Now good night Geri.
Geri just before going. If you don't consider yourself right wing where would you place your politics then?
Tell me tomorrow. I am relaxing now.
Do you know your left from your right?
Telling me I’m an extreme right winger without any shred of evidence is totally disgusting and you have no evidence to back this up. Where have I made any extreme right wing posts?
You're just feeding it, Geri. I wouldn't bother responding.
Jalima - thanks for the support ( Friday evening.)
The economic warnings are there for those prepared to see them. Inward investment has collapsed by some £130bn over the last 12 months. The car industry fears “Carmageddon”. There is no open-skies deal with the US. Being frozen out of the Galileo project endangers our space industry. Universities fear being cut out of EU research budgets. It is the same in sector after sector.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/04/britain-society-inequality-trade-brexit-is-not-the-way
"Europe’s achievements have not been driven solely by an economic calculus: they belonged to a bigger, nobler cause of representing European values, rooted in democracy."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/04/britain-society-inequality-trade-brexit-is-not-the-way
Nothing democratic about the EU.
The problem is that without economic calculus there can be no "nobler cause", because no one can afford to address the issues that are bringing the EU to it's knees. The discontent of many is increasing, Italy, Greece, Slovenia. The poverty and unemployment that prevails in all of the EEA countries is testament to this.. The "nobler cause" what is that, some romantic notion of us all singing and dancing and holding flowers and skipping hand in hand as we enjoy the sunshine without work or food with thousands and thousands of displaced people sleeping rough in the parks, subways and harbour areas of many Country's of the EEA? Let's put our real world glasses on, instead of the rose tinted ones. This is the type of propaganda seen in the last century as Russia and Germany masked the realities of people's real lives.
If the 'nobler cause" was to engage in ever closer union, that was for another century. What we need in the 21st century is economic responses to a world economy, that cannot happen in the EU and the Eurozone. The EU is a failing system. As for "values rooted in democracy" the EU is a non democratic organisation, the commissioners are commissioned, not elected and all policy is made by them.
Allygran - Well written.
Thanks Fennel.
The EU uses a variety of legislative procedures to adopt laws. The procedure followed for a legislative proposal depends on the type and subject of the proposal. The vast majority of EU laws are jointly adopted by the EU Parliament and Council, while in specific cases a single EU institution can adopt alone. The national parliaments of EU countries are consulted on all Commission proposals, and any changes to the EU treaties require the agreement of every EU country.
ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-making-process/adopting-eu-law_en
It is just nonsense to describe the EU as undemocratic. We have the chance to vote for our MEPs by a proportional voting system. National governments, again elected also have a veto. No-one on the Remain side has ever claimed that the EU was perfect but as long as we are members we can propose changes. If we left we would no longer have any influence.
varian Tue 05-Jun-18 09:33:10
Varian the EU structure is not a democratic model. This article explains the Corporatised structure of the EU:
"The Corporatised Continent".
"The European democratic model has become a corporate one thanks to the EU. In return for the services the union provides, particularly for peace in our time, the public was prepared to give up its democratic grip.
The important decisions in EU life are made away from public scrutiny and by figures and institutions which are poorly understood and little captured by the democratic process. The argument against a pan-European superpower was always that its subject peoples would suffer from a lack of say over how they were run – we are now in the situation where this has happened, and while dissidence is growing, the harsh truth is that the subject peoples never quite cared enough about democracy to reverse the process.
The anti-democratic bias in the EU is a function of its design. Governance institutions are created to coordinate between member states in relatively simple areas with limited resistance. As the bureaucratic apparatus grows, and initial tasks become accomplished, the bureaucracy begins to push into more complex, sensitive areas. However, as the bureaucracy is usually taking on a small selection of countries over disparate issues at any one time, it can usually claim majority support. In this way, powers are gradually eroded.
It is not inevitable that the creation of government institutions automatically creates an impetus for a greater government role in civic life. The arrangement of institutions in the United States is such that it deliberately creates antagonistic relationships between them, and therefore operates as a block against the power of each. The EU system, where no actor with democratic authority is sufficiently strong to overrule the Commission, serves no such function.
There are other additional features of the EU governance system which support this tendency towards authoritarian and expansive political power being exercised by those with only tenuous democratic connections. Foremost amongst these is the power of judges."
www.oxford-royale.co.uk/articles/european-union-undemocratic.ht
Not a well known institution at all. Just a company which does Summer schools mainly for foreign students.
There is a series of programmes on Channel 4 at the moment about how the EU works. "Carry on Brussels" it's on Wednesday nights, last one tomorrow. Very interesting look at the work of MEPs. Seems quite democratic to me.
The EU being undemocratic is a Brexiteers' myth! Surely no-one still believes what was said in the Leave campaign any more. Even Nigel Farage no longer believes it!
The voters who were so misled as to vote for Farage, voted for a wrecker. He had no respect for the EU Parliament or for democracy. He treated the Parliament with contempt yet continued to draw his salary and expenses.
A lot of people on Gransnet seem to believe the government is doing a great job. Unlike the of the rest of the population.
Sadly Nigel Farage played to & on the heart strings of many who IMO had a backwards looking opinion & vision of Great Britain. Obviously there was room for improvement, there always is, but better to be there having a say than outside paddling like mad to stay afloat.
Chrystaltipps we are the rest of the population. We live in the real world as well as visiting this artificial one from time to time.
Mostly is the programme "carry on Brussels" is that a send up of the 'Carry On" comedy films?
No, but the UKIP contingent of MEPs made it a farce in episodes one and two! Makes you embarrassed to be British from an EU perspective.
Worth watching!
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