Jacob Rees-Mogg Moves For Conservative Party Leadership.

More personal attacks , very Momentum

Known Ruth for many years prior to her political career. She is a tremendous person and I wish her every happiness and an easy pregnancy.

JRM is indeed a far more devout Catholic than myself, but I deeply feel that it is unacceptable to pass comment on how other people choose to order their private lives when they do no harm to anyone by doing so. Ruth has not passed comment on his family arrangements or structure and it is beneath his usual courtesy to have dragged hers into it.

Eeek. The welfare state continues, that is!

Even Communism proved to be a corrupt , unfair and unworkable system, so not sure why people think Labour has a magic wand and will change things, when the last Labour govt, in power for 13 years, left the country in a mess.

Just think how much the NHS could have been helped by the billions that were spent on the Iraq war.

There you go again putting words in prople’s mouths - just try reading what I actually posted

No - not whilst ab has a free pass to be as unpleasant as she chooses to others

Jalima the Iraq war was supported by both sides of the house .

As much as I condemn Corbyn for being a hypocrite, he isn’t when he shows his support for the IRA is as strong as ever.

In response to the post by Trisher today (25/05/18 @10:36), below is a report by Sky News which I feel demonstrates the growing support for Jacob Rees-Mogg within the Conservative Party. Daniel Kawczynski is a leading member of the Conservative party Bow Group and obviously spoke the thoughts of many in that body.

Report begins here:-
Jacob Rees-Mogg has been hailed a "hero" and touted as a future Prime Minister by a Tory MP who says he feels "very despondent" about the state of Brexit negotiations.

Daniel Kawczynski said Theresa May was not an "authentic Brexiteer" and could renege on her promise that Britain will exit the customs union, leaving Britain in "dangerous, unchartered territory".

The MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham in Shropshire warned that if she did, UKIP would "come back like a phoenix" and "destabilise" the Conservatives "like you've never seen before".

He added that some people in parliament were doing "everything in their power" to "neuter" Brexit, specifically accusing 14 rebels in his own party of "taking advantage" of its "tiny majority" to block Brexit.

Speaking at a Bow Group event immediately after a gathering of the European Research Group (ERG) on Monday, Mr Kawczynski said: "I feel very, very despondent, having been to that meeting.

"Because above all something I feel much more strongly about than being a Conservative... what I feel even more strongly about is democracy…

"There are people in this palace, your palace, who are attempting to do everything in their power to overturn that decision and to create a meaningless, toothless, neutered Brexit."

Mr Kawczynski said MPs had to "overturn" the "ludicrous" amendments to the government's flagship Brexit law, which it suffered 15 defeats on in the House of Lords.

He added: "Also, we have to deal with some of the rebels in our own party."

The Polish-born MP revealed he "will never really forgive" now Environment Secretary Michael Gove and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson for the "chaos" they "got themselves into" in the 2016 Conservative leadership contest.

The full report can be viewed by following this link.
news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-not-an-authentic-brexiteer-and-could-destabilise-conservatives-like-never-before-mp-11382608

In regard to JRM being a decent person, his Somerset based investment company is under investigation for breaking international sanctions against Russia for a range of issues carried out by that country.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has not it would seem denied he is still involved in a Russian bank investment, even after he called for tighter sanctions to be applied to Russia in the House of Commons following the Salisbury poisoning.

In other words, "don't do as I do, do as I say".

I have been in the office since 7am this morning and will be here for a couple of hours more, but will respond to comments when I eventually "Break Free".

Oh dear AB calling me a liar? I only joined this forum last year so no I wasn't on it when DC was around.In the time I HAVE been on it I have never seeen you do anything other than support the conservatives...not an ATTACK on you just a fact.I was very surprised when I discovered you claimed to be Labour as most of your views are incompatible with the labour party I grew up with.Theres no chance of out ancestors knowing each other mine were in Glasgow ....staunch labour party members...you have heard of Glasgow...the city Churchill sent tanks into and confined Scottish regiments to barracks in case they defended the people .Tories...they never change !!Now of course its done through the media .Scots are too wee too poor and too stupid to rule themselves.Self rule WAS in the first labour manifesto..by Keir Hardie

I did not call you a liar paddyann, I offered the only three reasons why you should have said I never criticise the Conservative party. Thank you for clearing it up, you have only recently joined this forum. So now you can withdraw your accusation or amend it and state I have not criticised this government since you joined the forum last year . That is fact.

When have I supported the conservatives paddyann? Is saying I respect May or find JRM amusing supporting the Tory party? When Cammeron was PM I respected Ken Clarke .

Day6 you postd "I was btw, on Incapacity Benefit after illness, as sick as I have ever been and unable to work. Tony Blair's government stopped me and thousands of others from claiming it, before you tell me that only Labourites have compassion - which is a myth, but a good oft repeated soundbite."

I think you have made a very good point there. This is the sort of reason that made me turn away from "New Labour" as they became closer to the Conservatives with actions like the above. Taking money away from sick people and from single parents should not be part of any Labour policy.

The Tory government reduced my widowed mothers pension because of my age , seems young widows could expect to remarry so would not be bringing up children alone for long.

Ilovecheese it was common knowledge that Blair was a tory at heart.He tried to get a tory seat first and was rejected."NEW" Labour wasn't labour in many ways though my disappointment with it was Gordon Brown ..a man who claimed to have the chritian priciples of the child of the manse.Sadly although he did some good for children in poverty many of his actions undermined the good he did do

Anniebach Yes, that is the sort of thing to expect from a Tory government (They have reduced the bereavement allowance this time around) but not from a Labour one.

Blair never tried for a Tory seat, his father did.

Brown is the most dedicated practising Christian one could ever hope to meet

As far as I am concerned Corbyn can take his version of Labour as far Left as he likes and Rees-Mogg can take the Tories to the Right leaving the middle ground for a new Centrist party with Yvette Cooper, Chaka Umuna, Stella Creasey, Hilary Benn and anybody else with half a brain who has to make a better fist of things than those in charge now.

Or you could support the Liberal Democrats Maw

Maw, if only they would , so many on the back benches I could add to your list

The Conservative party will move to the right as it's membership figures are now so low that radical change is eventually inevitable. New members bring new thinking, new activists and in that new donors and for the conservatives that can only come from the right.

The Labour party has always had the trade union funding as its main source of income now matter how far they have fallen in the electorate's eyes. That fact has made their radical change in polices easy to carry out. However, for the conservatives it will be far more traumatic I feel.

As for a new centre party, I seem to remember a split from the Labour party in the past by a group called the "gang of four" (I think that's what they were called). However, lack of funding and feet on the ground soon brought about their decline despite all the advanced press hype in regard to the end of Labour, and they eventually merged into the liberal party.

Therefore, I feel that any new centre political party set up would in all probability go the same way.

MawBroon Fri 25-May-18 18:55:32
Absolutely, what so many have been saying on these threads for so long - at the risk if being called right-wing extremists

And varian, sadly I have given up on them, they seem to be a lost cause now.
However, I still voted for the Lib Dem candidate in local elections and he got in here.

Jalima the Iraq war was supported by both sides of the house .
I know Anniebach, but based on lies told by Tony Blair.

Theres no chance of out ancestors knowing each other mine were in Glasgow
It was me who suggested that in fact.

I was thinking of Keir Hardie et al, perhaps someone could check what he said about self-rule for Scotland in the first manifesto as I don't know.

Jalima1108 I have never said at any time that I followed my grandfather's politics or beliefs. I have said that I respected and understood where he came from, his politics were bred in the docks where work was allotted and men would find themselves without wages for weeks when shipping was low (much like zero hour contract workers today I have said that I appreciate the society I grew up in where a proper welfare state cared for all, and people were properly housed and fed. But these are socialist and not communist beliefs.
What I still don't understand is all this posting about a 'centre left " party which seemingly has some unfathomable and unspecified policies which differ from the Labour Party but which no one ever gets round to explaining.