Repeal the 8th

If the polls are correct, that's a good majority, making it unlikely there will be any future controversy on the subject.

What happens if the aborted child is breathing ? Do they cover it with a blanket until it dies?
Medicine has come such a long way since abortions became legal and so much is being done for premature babies who are born with parents who want them.
Whilst no woman should be made to carry a child for 9 months that she doesn’t want, It is wrong to care about the viable babies?

The vast majority of abortions (over 90%) are carried out before 10 weeks when it is completely impossible for the foetus to breathe independently. I’ve no idea how many foetuses are born breathing and capable of living - does anyone know of any evidence?

Perhaps the procedure of removing the baby from the womb kills the baby so they are all born dead , I recall some years ago a theatre sister reporting that removing the baby wasn’t carried out with care for the baby because a baby born alive would cause problems for the hospital, this must be so in some abortions

Bessstwishes In Ireland they are voting for abortion to be carried out under 12 weeks. In UK most ie 92% abortions carried out under 13 weeks (as has been said up thread). Very, very few ie 0.1% over 24wks and this in very exceptional circumstances so unlikely those terminated are breathing independently.

The vast majority may be aborted before ten weeks, still leaves the question of the minority of babies.

They used to Besstwishes, and it was this that deeply upset my nurse friend. It was way back in the mists of time, and I've no idea how it's dealt with now, but this is why I'm in favour of the three month period for a healthy foetus. Obviously the legal availability of the morning after pill is extremely important along with medical facilities easily accessed.
I'm realistically pleased with result as the alternatives are awful in every respect.

I wonder how true it is that a late abortion( over 24 weeks) is carried out callously?The circumstances behind a late abortion are usually very sad - do we think medical staff would be so cruel? I’m sure they do their best in a situation where there are no winners. The Irish women who have had late abortions at the Liverpool Women’s Hospital have spoken of the enormous compassionate care they have received - is it credible that they would behave as that midwife says? Many anti abortion supporters peddle stories like this to defend their indefensible position - have you seeen the placards and posters from that group who harass women going into abortion clinics? Full of lies

I only asked because I had read of some horrific practises in the past, I hope they don’t deliberately kill the baby as it’s being aborted.
I’m thankful that the majority are under 13 weeks and I’m all for the ‘morning after ‘ pill.
I have to admit though that the whole subject leaves me very uncomfortable. But that’s just me and I accept that for women in Ireland it’s a big step forward.

Then if the babies are taken from the womb with care for their lives how do they die , once removed they become in law human beings

Babies are born unable to breathe independently until past 24/25 weeks gestation (very rarely are babies born between 22-24 weeks who are breathing at birth). Past 24 weeks abortions will only be carried out for medical reasons such as the mothers life at risk or in cases where the baby would not live after birth or die later on in the pregnancy. These abortions are carried out if the mother chooses to have them, so that she does not have to continue with the pregnancy only to lose the child anyway. Again, the procedure would involve stopping the heart in vitro, past 22 weeks gestation there is a procedure in place to stop the heart in vitro.

Thanks for that clarification Newmom

Abortions past 24 weeks are not carried out callously. They are only allowed if there is a risk to the mothers life or problems with the babies development. Given that they are out of a medical necessity, they are somewhat unrelated to the issue of legalising abortion as those are babies which are wanted, but unfortunately the pregnancy isn't viable. And of course there are still women who continue with a pregnancy knowing their own life or that is the babies is at risk.

Besstwishes, I too read the reports, they were not related to the abortion laws, easy to dismiss the question I suppose, but not for me. I wonder too if they are incinerated along with the babies aborted in early pregnancies , they little bodies have to be disposed of so I suppose it is in the incinerator , no other way. Unless they are used for medical research .

All sorts of horrific things happened in the past - some of the babies who ended up in the ‘care’ of the nuns received no health care,were buried in unmarked graves or if they survived were sometimes sent to the colonies as in effect slave labour and suffered both physical and sexual abuse at the hands of various Catholic homes run by priests. I don’t know anyone who is comfortable about or who likes abortion but the idea of it not being available is much much more ‘uncomfortable’ and unlikeable isn’t it? Life is so often about the least worse option- and to date women in Ireland have been treated as sub-human. Now for NI.

Oh butt out ab

newmom well if that’s what is happening then it’s better than I thought, so all late viable aborted babies are born dead then because of this procedure?
I’m just coming from the position of having a niece who has had 4 miscarriages, a friend whose daughters son was still born and a DD who is unable to have children.
I guess in some cases of Law we help one sector and condemn another. ( I know, I know, in Law a baby doesn’t have any protection unless it’s born breathing) anyway I’ll go and find something more cheerful to think about.

Did you not read that women having abortions in England had to have the ashes returned in Jiffy bags through the post ( if they wanted the ashes that is). They would not be used for medical research without permission - you’ve been reading too much No propaganda

When I saw on TV the young women who had flown home to vote from all over the world I knew it would go through.

I am 100% behind them and proud of them.

maryeliza thankfully we are all entitled to our views and this is a very emotive and emotional subject.
I think that for once annie and I are in agreement on something.
As always the majority have had their say and the law will be passed.

Hospitals have crematoriums or the mother pays to have the baby cremated ?

Why tell posters to butt out? What troubles you ?

Bestwishes, abortion is only legal at a 'late' stage (past 24 weeks) in the UK for medical reasons. Of the 0.1% that occur at that point, the vast majority are not viable.

It is very rare for a viable pregnancy to be terminated past 24 weeks, because the are only allowed if the mothers life is at risk, and not many women want to terminate at that point as they have become attached to the baby. So yes, in these very very rare circumstances, the baby's heart would be stopped in vitro and they would not be born breathing.

Also, at 24 weeks onwards as it is an abortion out of necessity, it would be treated the same way as a stillbirth or miscarriage. The mother would be taken to a bereavement suite, allowed time with the baby and photos, footprints etc, and given the option of a cremation.

I think 'late abortions' is perhaps the wrong term really. As it's not to abort the pregnancy out of choice. Past 24 weeks it's a wanted baby and a heartbreaking situation for the family. In the past the mother would not have been aware that the baby would not survive and it would have led to a stillbirth or a baby dying shortly after birth. As we are now able to diagnose problems with development during pregnancy it gives the mom the option of not carrying on with the pregnancy, and time to adjust and grieve. My grandmother had a baby die shortly after birth, and she feels that it is kinder to allow women to end these pregnancies early, rather than go through what she did.

newmom thanks

I have no objection to anyone viewing the embryo as a living entity and being against abortion. What they believe and what they do with their body is up to them. But they have no right to force others to comply with their beliefs. Women are entitled to make their own choices and if they choose not to go through with the pregnancy they should have the same access to good medical services as theywould have for any other condition. I thought the women demonstrating dressed as women from the Handmaid's Tale illustrated exactly the way that women can be treated.
68% "Yes in the Exit Polls- Great!