Kim-Trump any thoughts?

Hmmm -well its typical of Trump that he wants everyone to admire and praise him! He will have convinced himself thats this the best deal ever. He won't like people saying he's been taken for a ride. He is the most vain and clueless president ever! But at least they didnt come to blows which is what I feared.

From yesterday's New York Times:
"Kim seems to have completely out-negotiated Trump, and it’s scary that Trump doesn’t seem to realize this. For now Trump has much less to show than past negotiators who hammered out deals with North Korea like the 1994 Agreed Framework, which completely froze the country’s plutonium program with a rigorous monitoring system."

Well I agree with Gilllybob -yes, wait and see by all means but at least its better than this time last year when KJU was firing off rockets , DT was threatening Fire &Fury and they were both insulting each other. I found it very frightening.

gilly I base my doubts and cynicism on the track record of the two men involved and the complete lack of detail in the document. But even if there more detail or a different president involved, I would still be sceptical as NK has form in this type of deal and in not delivering and I would still say wait and see.

Let’s hope all you doubters and cynics are eating your words sometime soon. Speaking very naively I am still very hopeful.

Given how many time Kim Jong-un – and his father and his grandfather – have agreed to "denuclearise" North Korea and then failed to do so, I find it difficult to believe that things will be different this time. Trump is very keen to get the Nobel Peace Prize but I can't see this meeting justifying such an award. He also keen to be involved in establishing tourist hotels beside "North Korea's beautiful beaches". I am not very clear about the size of North Korea's tourist industry but would guess that it is not significant, but Trump is a) ignorant and b) a lousy businessman so that is unlikely to worry him. The whole thing is a complete farce.

Beyond the Fringe 1962: Peter Cook as Harold MacMillan reporting on a meeting with the West German Chancellor: "We exchanged many frank words in our respective languages."

Plus ça change......

Well at the risk of being called “naive” yet again, I am ever hopeful .

Thoughts? Yes. This: wait and see.

I was sat in the doctors surgery this morning with my 10 year old DGD (long story). We were listening to the news on the radio playing in the background and my DGD commented about the Trump/Kim meeting . She asked if this would mean the world would be more peaceful and wondered if there might be an assembly about it on Friday . An elderly lady sat behind us said “I do hope so dear, I do hope so” (she commented that the village school was very good, wasn’t it) and I had to say, she doesn’t go to “the village school” they didn’t want her. Sorry if off topic. But it seems relevant.

I noticed that when he spoke about it afterwards the first thing Trump said was " Everyone will be very impressed" which is really how he measures everything. Couldn't help wondering if everyone was very impressed when Chamberlain came back from his meeting with Hitler!

A triumph for dictator Kim, making him appear equal to Trump and getting more concessions from the US that he could ever have hoped for.

In the contest of ridiculous hairstyles, it is slightly more difficult to decide who won.

So what are the answers , anyone got a better Idea?

It depends on what you think is progress and who benefits from it. Trump has been happily undoing most of the good that Obama did (and what he did was for the many not the few rich Republicans! )

Of course we have no idea how things will pan out in the future when someone so unpredictable as KJU is concerned, but surely the fact that he is talking to Trump and shaking his hand has got to be cause for cautious optimism.

Whatever anyone thinks of Donald Trump as a person we should surely credit him with at least getting this far. He has achieved more than Obama ever did after all.

Who would have imagined this meeting months ago when they were trading childish insults, while the whole world held its breath?

I don’t think he s achieved what others have failed to, North Korea hasn’t engaged with any other president because they haven’t wanted to fail Unfortunately they know Trump is the weakest link US has ever had and they Can tie him round their little finger but he will always see himself as the saint and anyone who doesn’t agree with him as the sinners North Korea treats their own people dreadfully with non exsistant human rights an air head like Trump will be eaten like a frog eats a fly when they get what they want
Thrump thinks he and he alone will make NKorea a non nuclear country that’s a dream and can someone explain why America can keep its nuclear arsenal ?

He changes his mind with wind. Last month he was threatening fire and fury he could again in no time.
He just needs a photo opportunity and publicity to redirect attention from his disastrous time at G7.
Anyone see that Steve Martin film 'the president's brain is missing'. Can't think why it's suddenly come into my mind.

Praise where praise is due, listening to DTs speech the way he came across on this occasion, I have to say he actually came up Trumps ?!
In his speech he said he usually can tell if someone is interested in a deal or an agreement & that if he senses they don’t he doesn’t bother wasting time trying to talk them around , he would rather leave it or leave it for another time. Which actually makes sense .

Yes, well!

Nothing new in the document they both signed that hadn’t already been signed months earlier by Kim Yong and President Moon.

Both leaders need a grandstand moment and this is it.

Truth be told Kim Yong knows that North Korea cannot continue as it was under his father and grandfather. Sanctions were biting and despite his clamp down the younger generation are accessing information through the internet so they see what the rest of the world is really like.

Trump of course just blunders along and has been lucky to catch Kim Yong when he has sufficiently upgraded his nuclear programme to bargain from a position of strength.

It would be wonderful if it all works out, like you gillybob I'm hopeful. No one would have thought this would have gone as far as it has so who knows how far it could go.

I've disliked Trump so much that it's hard to be fair to him now. But I do have to admit that I think this meeting with Kim is a real achievement. On the face of it it seems to have been successful, but I'm very wary of the outcome. I hope for the best but fear the worst.

Could it be NK has been bluffing all these years 're nuclear weapons.
Need sanctions lifted as country has had several bad harvests and people are starving.

I am cautiously optimistic. We are making judgments on newspaper articles and public statements. We have no idea what negotiating has been done in private. Whilst I find both men scary I am hopeful they both have sufficient brain power to understand that escalating conflict between the two nations is unthinkable. N. Korea must also be aware that any real aggression from them could result in a violent over-reaction from Trump which, although being condemned by the rest of the world, would be too late to save them.

Jane10 that IS scary, but not entirely surprising

Just seen this on FB
Does it say it all?