What next from Trump's America?

"Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very wealthy. But it has left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. I want you to imagine how much better our future can be if we declare independence from the elites who’ve led us to one financial and foreign policy disaster after another. I was on the right side of that issue — with the people — while Hillary, as always, stood with the elites."

Now he seems to have turned this upside down. He has just said: "We have more money and more brains and better houses and apartments and nicer boats. We are smarter than they are. They say the elite. We are the elite. You are the elite. "

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/trump-calls-supporters-elite-doesnt-understand-populism.html

His new scriptwriter seems to have lost the plot.

I was chatting to someone today who had met some Americans whilst they were on a European trip.
The Americans introduced themselves and said 'and we apologise for our President, not all of us voted for him'.
So many Americans travelling overseas must be so embarrassed by him.

Hilary Clinton was pilloried on social media by Trumps campaign team. My American SiL (whom I have never met) was obviously a Trump fan and some of the garbage she shared was beyond belief.

But believe it they did - at least those sections of American society who were unable to distinguish fact from fiction, and just heard what they wanted to hear. I’ve often thought that Trump’s fixation about ‘fake news’ is because he knew how effective it was in his own campaign against Hilary.

There was also quite a racist backlash against Obama’s presidency, again from the same type of social group.

I’ve since unfriended this SiL but it was a revelation.

I get the impression that Trump supporters are immune to logic, reject evidence and are fired up by inane tweets and sloganising.

I still remember one claim Trump made during his election campaign which struck me as actually being true. He said "I could stand in the middle of New York and shoot somebody and they'd still vote for me".

So he understands that mentality. And exploits it brilliantly.
He's not so daft.

Quote varianI [get the impression that Trump supporters are immune to logic, reject evidence and are fired up by inane tweets and sloganising. ]End Quote

Varian, that case, they seem to be very similar to Brexit supporters in Britain.

Obvious comparison but some of them don't like it. GN brexiters range from the "I adore Trump" type to ones who are outraged that they could possibly have anything in common with Trump supporters.

some of the garbage she shared was beyond belief. it spread beyond there, some I saw came via Australia.

In Trump's America the press are often attacked, as they often are by Trump himself and as we know mass shootings are depressingly frequent occurrences. Sometimes there is a direct connexion, sometimes not, as in the case of the shooting this week at Capital Gazette. The comments of right-wing extremists do poison the atmosphere. For instance the alt right extremist former Breitbart journalist Milo Yiannopoulos had said earlier this week that-

"he couldn't wait for 'vigilante squads to start gunning journalists down'. His comments came two days before a gunman shot dead five people at Maryland's Capital Gazette newspaper on Thursday . In the hours after the shooting, Yiannopoulos insisted that he was only joking"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5899655/PayPal-Venmo-ban-Milo-Yiannopoulos-shooting-comments.html

Really Grandad and varian you honestly believe that all Brexit supporters can be compared to those of Trump. Supporters of a man who takes the children of illegal immigrants away from their parents.

And you accuse Brexiters of being "immune to logic, reject evidence and are fired up by inane tweets and sloganising" *Grandad".

Not all those who voted leave can be compared to Trump supporters, but some certainly can. Milo Yiannopoulos (who is actually British) is a very enthusiastic brexiter, for instance. He has said many outrageous things about the EU, but perhaps he was "only joking"

So what has he said about Trump?

Please, varian can we have a thread that does not resort to criticism of Brexit and people who voted to leave the EU?
Please?

I don't think we could, Jalima as the two phenomena share a number of characteraistics and voter behaviours

[sharpintakeofbreath]
perhaps but every thread seems to end up with posts about Brexit. Probably even the knitting threads may do so eventually .... French knitting etc.

2 years on and it's the b----y 'stuck record ' comments flying again I see by the same old , same old.

Brexiters are lacking in intelligence and Remainders are superior in intellect.

The '' Basket of deplorables' as Hillary Clinton called them.

Don't you ever bore yourselves as well as others.

President Trump has declared that the European Union, Nato and the World Trade Organisation are bad for America, according to senior diplomatic sources.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/president-trumps-war-on-western-world-order-h6pshskjs

I am beginning to wonder whether Trump is taking his orders direct from Vladimir Putin. Perhaps he owes him for the help he got in the election. Putin is all about de-stabalising the West and it looks as if Trump is following his orders.

If he didn't exist you just couldn't invent him, could you!?

It gets more and more far-fetched.

His actions could also be a return to US Isolationism. Which I vaguely remember reading about when studying American history at school.
theweek.com/articles/627638/brief-history-american-isolationism

Fennel, I believe that the " industrial isolation" of America is exactly what Trump wants. I have some sympathy with his policy towards global companies in stating that if they wish to sell into the United States then they will have to those products in America.

For too long those global companies have played one country off against another in wishing to produce in countries where workers rights and wages are very low and then to sell those goods in countries where wages and workers rights are high.

Many of the workers who produce those goods cannot afford to buy the products that they produce, while at the same time employment is reduced in countries that buy those goods with the top management in those companies being the only ones to gain in the long term.

The rest of Donald Trump's policies, I will leave thank you very much.

The US ambassador to Estonia has resigned in frustration over Donald Trump's hostility to Europe, leaving a scathing review of the US President's treatment of America's allies. James Melville, a 33-year career diplomat who was due to retire in a few months, wrote a damning Facebook post to friends in which he said: "It's time to go."

He criticised what he regarded as Mr Trump's unfair attacks on Nato and the EU but signed off saying he was confident America would one day return to being "right." "A Foreign Service Officer's DNA is programmed to support policy and we're schooled right from the start, that if there ever comes a point where one can no longer do so, particularly if one is in a position of leadership, the honorable course is to resign," Foreign Policy magazine quotes Mr Melville's post as saying. "Having served under six presidents and 11 secretaries of state, I never really thought it would reach that point for me."

"For the President to say the EU was 'set up to take advantage of the United States, to attack our piggy bank,' or that 'Nato is as bad as Nafta' is not only factually wrong, but proves to me that it's time to go."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/01/veteran-diplomat-resigns-estonia-post-disgust-trump-encouraged/

ABC News reported that Michael Cohen, Donald Trump's personal lawyer and fixer, who is at the center of a probe by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, was parting ways with his legal team and was “likely to co-operate with federal investigators.”

www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-could-michael-cohen-tell-robert-mueller

It seems that many of those who have been close to Trump have reached the point where they no longer wish to be associated with him.

POGS I am coming to the conclusion that post's on any thread from some remain voters (not all) seem to be an excuse to slate the leave voters, and label and other them.

It seems to matter not how hard we try to keep to the topic, or stay out of the tit for tat, it always comes round to sledging the leave voters.

I think we have a paradox here: The "unstoppable force meets the immovable object". The paradox is considered by some to be flawed, Wikipedia put's it this way:
"The paradox arises because it rests on two incompatible premises: that there can exist simultaneously such things as unstoppable forces and immovable objects. The "paradox" is flawed because if there exists an unstoppable force, it follows logically that there cannot be any such thing as an immovable object and vice versa.[1]" So once cancels the other out, or is one and the same.
Wikipedia give this nice cultural reference which I think applies in our circumstances here on Gansnet with the remain sledgers:
"In DC's film The Dark Knight (2008), the Joker references the irresistible force paradox in both his final scene, as well as his final dialogue between himself and Batman. The Joker attempts to ultimately explain the reason for Batman's inability to shed his Batman identity, saying, "You just couldn't let me go, could you? This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible, aren't you, huh? You won't kill me out of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, and I won't kill you because you're just too much fun. I think you and I are destined to do this forever".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox

There is an escape of course POGS, we don't have to play. In another cultural reference on Wikipedia there is a solution:
In the film Imagine Me And You (2005) the irresistible force paradox is a recurring theme first mentioned by H and last referenced by Heck who compares Rachel's love for Luce as the unstoppable force and himself as the immovable object saying, "What you're feeling is the unstoppable force, which means I have to move."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox

It’s a case of who blinks first methinks! The other option being the immovable object just does not exist therefore can be ignored.

"It seems to matter not how hard we try to keep to the topic, or stay out of the tit for tat, it always comes round to sledging the leave voters."
That's the whole point of the discussion, Ally. Except I'm not sure about the word 'sledging'. Looking it up, you're not so bad at it yourself.

Allygran1,why have you posted your latest comments on a Thread about human suffering?