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What next from Trump's America?

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Jalima1108 Tue 19-Jun-18 14:54:54

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44385013?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c2gzednyvjkt/donald-trumps-mexican-wall&link_location=live-reporting-story

According to the BBC News last night, children of Mexican migrants are being separated from their parents and kept in cages

On Tuesday, the UN called on the US to "immediately halt" the separations.
The UN Human Rights Office's spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani criticised the policy on Tuesday and said that several hundred children, some as young as one, appeared to have been affected.

US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has defended separating migrant children from their parents at the US border.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44278209?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c2gzednyvjkt/donald-trumps-mexican-wall&link_location=live-reporting-story
New York Times reported that about 700 children - including 100 under the age of four - had been separated from the adults they were travelling with after entering the US.

maryeliza54 Tue 03-Jul-18 16:44:15

Well B it’s one of two things - a mistake or else a desire to take over the whole of GN with impenetrable posts.

Bridgeit Tue 03-Jul-18 16:48:30

Ohh Maryeliza ?

Bridgeit Tue 03-Jul-18 16:49:51

Has there been any more news about this situation, .?it seems to have gone quiet

Fennel Tue 03-Jul-18 16:52:41

"a desire to take over the whole of GN with impenetrable posts."
Sometimes seems like that to me too. A bit like 'flooding'.

Bridgeit Tue 03-Jul-18 16:54:01

I have found a short article saying a Judge has stated that children & mums must be reunited within a fixed period of time.
Let’s hope this will happen.

varian Tue 03-Jul-18 19:42:35

We can only hope that there are enough decent Republicans in positions of influence in the USA to moderate the excesses of Trump, and hopefully in time curtail his time in office.

Allygran1 Tue 03-Jul-18 19:46:54

Bridgeit, in response to POGS post.

Allygran1 Tue 03-Jul-18 19:49:26

one last post to you maryeliza54. No....it would be so rude, I would never forgive myself.

jura2 Tue 03-Jul-18 20:43:44

he has signed today to stop protection for bears and wolves, that can now be shot or killed in many ways without any checks or consequences.

Bridgeit Tue 03-Jul-18 20:53:43

It’s unbelievable that this is still acceptable, shame on the man.

Bridgeit Tue 03-Jul-18 20:55:02

Sadly I suspect he has a lot of support for this

Jalima1108 Tue 03-Jul-18 22:07:53

It is difficult to find much up-to-date news on this but I found this on Democracy Now:
The Department of Health and Human Services is refusing to disclose how many migrant children separated from their parents at the border they are still holding. Last week, HHS Secretary Alex Azar said 2,047 separated minors were still in the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement. But the department has refused to give updated numbers even though the Trump administration is facing a July 10 court-imposed deadline to reunite all separated children under the age of 5 with their parents.

Another charity chief has said that this could take months, not days to reunite children with parents.

Jalima1108 Tue 03-Jul-18 22:09:58

under the age of 5

Surely efforts should be made to reunite all children with their parents?
A six year old, seven year old, even older children are going to be traumatised.

maryeliza54 Tue 03-Jul-18 22:13:33

I think the court did say all children had to be reunited but gave a longer time period for the older children ie prioritised the younger ones - awful for all of them though

Fennel Wed 04-Jul-18 09:21:44

Not long until his visit. From the Mirror:
"The visit will come after the President attends the Nato summit in Brussels on July 11 and 12."

varian Wed 04-Jul-18 17:20:27

The Treasury has confirmed it will fund policing costs of up to £5m if US President Donald Trump visits Scotland. It is believed Mr Trump will head to Scotland after meeting Prime Minister Theresa May in London next week.

Concerns were raised that any such visit could require at least 5,000 officers to police, costing Scotland's national force up to £5m. However, Treasury Secretary Liz Truss has now confirmed that money would be made available for policing any visit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-44698176

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 15:38:29

Varian, this sort of expenditure is normal for these sort of visits of Heads of State of other Country's. Full State visit's cost vastly more than that. The visit of the Pope cost 7 million. It is reciprocal though when our Head of State or representative go to other Country's they are protected at the cost of the Country they are visiting, which will be of a similar level of expenditure one has to assume.

Interestingly Trump is not the first president to not receive a full State visit Bush visited again in 2008 when he stayed at Windsor Castle. In 2003 between 110,000 and 200,000 people protested about Bush's visit and Vietnam veteran Ron Kovic toppled a five metre-effigy of the president. So a 'blimp' is quite a modern ""Bush visited again in 2008 when he stayed at Windsor Castle but that was not a full state visit. In 2003 between 110,000 and 200,000 people protested about Bush's visit and Vietnam veteran Ron Kovic toppled a five metre-effigy of the President.

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 15:40:08

Fennel you sound positively excited at the prospect of President Trumps visit.

"Fennel Wed 04-Jul-18 09:21:44
Not long until his visit. From the Mirror:
"The visit will come after the President attends the Nato summit in Brussels on July 11 and 12."?

Fennel Sun 08-Jul-18 18:23:46

I am excited, Ally!
Aren't you?

Jalima1108 Sun 08-Jul-18 18:33:11

Trump has tweeted that the US is working very closely with the Thai Government to help get the boys out of the cave to safety.

Let's hope they are doing the same for the children they took from their parents and put into cages.

varian Sun 08-Jul-18 19:31:07

Trump's visit next week is not a full state visit.

The £5m bill for security is just to protect Trump during his short visit to one of his golf courses in Scotland, where in spite of his mother's ancestry, he is loathed every bit as much as he is in the rest of the UK.

Jalima1108 Sun 08-Jul-18 19:33:41

Ah, thank you - to tell you the truth varian, I have not read much about it, not being that interested!!

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 23:23:02

Fennel, I can take him or leave him! Other fish to fry!

Jalima1108 Sun 08-Jul-18 23:24:08

Could you take him, then please Allygran

Allygran1 Sun 08-Jul-18 23:26:58

Varian I am aware that the visit is not a full state visit. However, he is coming to see the PM and he is visiting the Queen at Balmoral. We fortunately have no cost for accommodation since he is staying in his own Hotel.. As I said earlier, the Pope's visit cost 7 million and he only came to London. I think this point about security cost is a dead end Varian. It is normal for either short or long, or state or non state visits of foreign leaders.