If there was another EU referendum...

I don't know if Jura would agree but I think that pugilistic and/or jingoistic sentiments link Brexit and hooligans abroad .

Just come back from a lovely day out with friends, locals and also expats from all over ... they all commented on the behaviour of some of the England supporters, going n a rampage in an IKEA store, smashing up the place singing 'it's coming home' - overs damaging an ambulance, standing on the roof, young women showing their boobs and overs kicking the vehcle, with ambulance staff inside

A lovely day out indeed criticising nationals of this country you claim to “love so much”.
I would not be proud of them either but
a) you have no evidence regarding their political persuasion
b) what about the riots and arson in Nantes over the past few nights
c) hooliganism is not restricted to Brits either at hone or abroad. I have seen some appalling behaviour by East German (as was) youths and the Baltic states are also notorious.

You seem only too glad to shake your head sorrowfully while putting the boot in wth the other foot.
Is it any wonder (some) other posters find your avowed “Britishness” only expedient when it suits you?

And if I recall aright, you believe that it is the young people of the U.K. who voted predominantly Remain, and the old fogeys who voted Leave?
Many rioting old fogeys after the football yesterday?

I can be and am very critical of aspects of Switzerland too, I can assure you.

I am reporting what people abroad see... and how they react to it. I said I am aware it is a minority, and that they do not represent the reality of UK. Try and explain that to those who see it in the Press and TV, and experience it again in their towns with stag dos and the like, and in holiday resorts all over the world... believe me, I try - and get into trouble for doing so too, for sure.

And when I do they reply 'it is most often, practically alway the Brits who behave like that on holiday - ruining it for everyone else who have worked hard all year to be able to go and relax, and have their time ruined by such groups. Oh I do try and tell them they are a tiny minority , and they reply 'much too big as far as we are concerned'.

Two bads do not make a right, does it? Because of Brexit, whether you like it or not, the EU and the world are watching us closely...

best not feed their prejudice I'd say. There were quite a few Brits today who said the same btw, and who cringe when they go on holiday ad are confronted with this behaviour.

jura2 - Germans putting towels on sun beds at silly o'clock.
French with their rudeness
Russians buying a bottle of wine per person, proceed
To drink with straw and get rude, raucous and disrespectful to any one who asks them to turn it down. Italian and Austrians who barge in front of small children in ski lift queues. Every country has its underbelly of society. It's about time we started celebrating being British not jumping on the 'bash the brits bandwagon.

No idea were you holiday, I have never witnessed behaviour like you have, and myself and family have been to every continent. Travel has always been a pleasure, oops sorry apart from a hotel in Sarasota which was overrun by extremely loud and rude people from Chicago!!!

Qui aime bien, châtie bien

condoning, refuting or refusing to condemn extremely bad behaviour is not kind of love, au contraire, au contraire.

In Crete, but we have seen it in Spain/Tenerife too, and in Mallorca, on many occasions. This happens mainly in Europe and North Africa, with cheap flights and packages.

The Hôtel in Crete was very apologetic ...and said it was rare to have such a group as it was a 4* Hôtel.

Your replies however sound as if you are a voice in the European wilderness Jura2, the only person to put people straight, the only person to know what other nationalities may or may not be saying, the only person to understand what opinions are in the U.K.
In your own (dare I say) insular way you give the impression that the rest of the U.K.,- present company included- live in an ivory tower, have no awareness of foreign media, never communicate with other nationalities or see for ourselves what is happening outside our shores.
We may have roots and family in other countries, may have adult children in other countries, may have been educated in other countries, may travel extensively, but you give the impression that you are the only person to speak with authority on these issues.
I find that hard to stomach and like others can find it patronising and based on your personal opinion, to which you of course have a perfect right.

And they wake up today of images of drunken Brits with thei *its out and other smashing an ambulance, and an (Swedish) IKEA store, evidence of damage, sexually verbal assaults on Police, and more...
My goodness, how did I miss all that on our news?

Was it Fake News?

All I have heard is about the Thai cave rescue - with two British volunteer cavers at the forefront of the rescue and a very good-tempered football match between Sweden and England.

May I suggest a Warner Leisure resort for your next break, jura?

The worst behaviour I've encountered on holiday was in Montenegro. These were Russians. They're not just annoying, they are frightening.

In Crete, but we have seen it in Spain/Tenerife too, and in Mallorca, on many occasions. This happens mainly in Europe and North Africa, with cheap flights and packages.
Yes, I've experienced it too, with Germans ignoring the queue for a bus and shoving a disabled man out of the way, until two British men held them back and allowed disabled, women and children first - and - oh, I won't go on, it's boring.
There are ill-mannered people in all nationalities.

merlotgran - not sure - jura could come across some British grannies elbowing their way to the bar.

jura I don't know why you say you are proud to be British when all your posts seem to denigrate the British so much.

That is not a criticism, that is a genuine question, which I have asked before.

She'd have a whale of a time going round with a clipboard asking them all how they voted, Jalima.

merlot

I got shoved aside physically by a Chinese man at Singapore airport (the assistant put him in his place) then encountered very polite Chinese tourists in NQ.
It takes all sorts.

Merlotgran
Very good advice
jura2
You probably know this already as you think you know everything about the uk, but I would avoid the holiday camps in the summer holidays.

ahaha Merlot, thans for the laugh ... THAT advert put me off for life. Next you'll be advising a cruise... NOOOOOO

I spend all my time talking to all the good things about the UK to all around me, and have always done so. But I am also very aware of the image such behaviour leaves with many others. All I was saying, is that in the current context- such behaviour plastered all over FB, the world Press and TV news, is really NOT helpful.

I am very proud of so many things British, but not THAT. Why do you think I get so upset about what is being done to the NHS, Social Services, the education system, and so much more- and currently the very essence of what is best about the UK, open-ness, tolerance of others and differences, care for special needs ... where the UK was head(s) above most, perhaps all, including France, Italy, Switzerland and Germany, just to quote those I know most.

It was a very few fans in one Ikea store in London compared to all the well-behaved fans everywhere else - so why plaster that all over FB, the world press etc etc I wonder?

It's like the towels on the sunbeds giving all Germans a bad name!
And a couple of very rude French men giving the impression the whole nation is like that

And Trump giving a bad name to all Americans

www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/worldcup/england-fans-invade-ikea-in-east-london-singing-its-coming-home-after-three-lions-win-a3882086.html

this what sells, this is what people remember -this is what serves to vilify a whole country, a whole racial or ethnic group of religion.... just like was used by some parts of the Leave Campaign.

Like the video of Swiss football hooligans being very violent, which was used during te Leave campaign to 'illustrate' the behaviour of Muslim men. Or the grooming gangs... do you think they represented the majority? This is, tragically how it works.

jura2 you have just disproved your own point, the media is the player and manipulator as is Facebook, twitter etc.

I think most intelligent people of any country in this world knows that.

DGS1 set DGS2 (they're cousins) a challenge that if England won he would have to buy him a flat pack item from IKEA for every goal scored.

So, after hoping the score would be 1-0, DGS2 is now poring over the online catalogue to see if he can find a flat pack toast rack and tooth mug.

jura

I am pleased you had a lovely day out with friends, locals and also expats from all over. Like you I enjoyed a lovely social day out with friends and family with no Brexit talk or trouble making.

Were the friends, locals and xpats you speak of today the same ones you spoke of on the other Brexit thread a couple of days ago when you said this of them:-

" So yes, my French friends, neighbours and students, are really annoyed and would be quite happy to boycott the UK, as tourists, consumers, investors, utilities providors, and so on."

I am pleased to hear you ' try and tell them they are a tiny minority ' but that begs the question why do you post only about how bad the UK is compared to Switzerland .

I acknowledge you do not shirk at the point made re the EU telling the Swiss they could not carry out their referendum result to limit immigration , in other words Switzerland is just as much in hock to the EU as anybody else in certain areas, however you will say time and again how happy you are to live in Switzerland not the UK.