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What so do thing will happen in Europe in the EU breaks up

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jura2 Tue 17-Jul-18 09:16:02

What do Brexiteers believe would happen to the 27 countries of the EU if the alliance collapses, and everyone is left to fend for themselves in very harsh economic conditions. and left out of major deals with USA, Russia and perhaps China? If each and everyone makes own rules on safety of goods, agriculture, animal welfare and transport, utilities (remember most of our are now owned by EU and other countries), air safety, nuclear safety, without a strong NATO, without extradiction of major criminals and terrorists, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

The floor is all yours as I'd be very interested to know how you see it pan out (personally I am quite terrified)

Fennel Mon 23-Jul-18 22:12:38

MargaretX - my opinion that the EU needs to stay together, especially France and Germany, was strengthened when I read a biography of Simone Veil. In spite of the fact that as a Jew she was interned in Auschwitz, and survived. but other family members perished, she became the first president of the European Parliament.
Her belief was that after their wars and invasions of the last 100 years, the only solution was that France and Germany should try to forge a friendship. Which they still seem to have, and that is the nucleus of the EU.
Hoping it continues, and somehow the UK supports them.

Jalima1108 Mon 23-Jul-18 22:46:32

Battles? Our boys? For remembering battles go to France, to Normandy in June of any year to experience the D-day celebrations, there it is not merely history but a living memory.
There is a Last Post ceremony every single night at the Menin Gate at 8.00 pm MargaretX
Every night at 8.00pm (20:00 hours) a moving ceremony takes place under the Menin Gate in Ieper - Ypres. The Last Post Ceremony has become part of the daily life in Ieper (Ypres) and the local people are proud of this simple but moving tribute to the courage and self-sacrifice of those who fell in defence of their town.
Some evenings, particularly in summer, there can be large crowds of visitors. The centenary commemorations are bringing many visitors to Ypres and most nights there are many people attending the ceremony.

evenings, particularly in summer, there can be large crowds of visitors. The centenary commemorations are bringing many visitors to Ypres and most nights there are many people attending the ceremony.

The Germans may not remember for obvious reasons but others do remember the sacrifices made for the defence of freedom.

I hope that Germany has moved on since then - in fact I am sure they have, but they cannot move on until they accept their past, which was not taught for a long time in German schools.

Jalima1108 Mon 23-Jul-18 22:48:52

And, of course, we have moved on from WW2 but to forget history we are in danger of repeating it.

MawBroon Tue 24-Jul-18 08:21:52

MargaretX you say When I left the U.K. then known as GB ...
The U.K. was not “known as” GB in 1968
UK is short for “The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.”It is a sovereign state (in the same way as France or the USA) but is made up of four countries; Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

MaizieD Tue 24-Jul-18 08:40:55

What was the point of that MawBroon? Are you trying to say that MargaretX's contribution to this thread is worthless because of what you consider to be an error? Or do you think she's not really 'British' any more so not really entitled to comment?

MawBroon Tue 24-Jul-18 08:46:16

No, just pointing out that GB +NI = UK.

MawBroon Tue 24-Jul-18 08:46:55

Don’t read more into things just go have (yet another) go at me please.

MaizieD Tue 24-Jul-18 08:51:26

Well stop 'having a go' at other people.

MawBroon Tue 24-Jul-18 08:55:31

My comment, unlike yours, MaizieD challenged the statement , not the person.
Ad hominem arguments are a poor recourse.

jura2 Tue 24-Jul-18 09:01:49

And the question still is- and has not yet been addressed at all:

The question is, what will happen to the EU, in the EU - post Brexit? And if we look at the divisions of the past- as we have learnt from them indeed, it could be quite a difficult situation- and possibly dangerous.

petra Tue 24-Jul-18 09:15:48

MaizieD
When someone posts ^ when I left the uk, then known as GB^ I assume that's what they mean.
I would like to expand on the above but off to pick up the kiddywinks.

pollyperkins Tue 24-Jul-18 10:19:50

I'm with Maw here. 'Uk then known as GB' is simply wrong, and a lot of people get this confused. Maw was simply clarifying, not criticising the person who wrote it and there is no reason to 'have a go' at her!

TerriBull Tue 24-Jul-18 11:08:16

How Europe pans out SHOULD the EU breakup remains to be seen, but maybe having an out and out drunk at the helm who is happy to hand the reins over to contentious Martin Selmayr aka as "The Monster" has angered many MEPs and such appointments seek to fuel the dissatisfaction with the European project. Allegedly it's ok to show disillusionment with the sclerotic nature of the EU and the desire to reform it, even Saint Bob Geldof decreed that is permissible, if we were to remain and reform it, which would be my preference. However, it doesn't appear to want to reform itself, so how can one lone voice do that? Although like it or not, it does seem that reform will be forced upon it by increasingly dissenting members, so one can only guess where that dissent will take it.

Welshwife Tue 24-Jul-18 11:36:35

Many people within the Eu do wish to see it reformed and are working towards that end. You only need to read things coming out of Brussels to see that - but I mean thing being written to spoken by the people concerned - not articles which are written by journalists.

POGS Tue 31-Jul-18 00:24:26

Jura

"And the question still is- and has not yet been addressed at all:

The question is, what will happen to the EU, in the EU - post Brexit? "

What do you think?