so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Alexa am somewhat puzzled......are you a foolish virgin, because I certainly am not.

I wonder if anybody was listening to WH this morning when Arianna Huffington and others talked about how many people today are living in a condition of permanent outrage. She gave instances of Trump outrage in the US and how instead of fuming and fretting then venting on social media we/they should channel it ino a more productive or positive direction.
A fellow guest talked about "hysterical negativity" and that is just what I am reading here from some posters including you Jura, grandad, maizieD and no doubt there are others.
I wonder if anyone else feels the same way

I find some of the posts on here frightening; all this bloody wartime spirit, ration coupons ( yes, I know it was a joke), stockpiling food etc. This is not funny, this is real, and just what will it take to make some people realise that there could well be hard times ahead, even if temporarily? Do none of you have families working in transport? Oh, and the nasty comments being thrown at Jura2 do not help the Brexit case, it stinks. Why is it I wonder that anything being said by those on the Remain side is dismissed as Project Fear, even if it is from people with direct experience of the area being discussed, whereas the vitriol being thrown about by the Brexit camp, the wild statements about the EU are taken as being fair and balanced? Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what is being said.

Hysterical optimism in the face of such a mess and probable disaster- is surely a lot more damaging- and also probably a lot more apparent here recently.

There is still time to stop this madness- the UK's image will probably be tarnished forever, and business confidence and investments from abroad too- but there is still time to avert the worse.

Time only will tell. I wish us all luck - we will need it.
No flouncing- but time to leave you to it for a while- I just can't be asked anymore (yes, this is how I spell it- before some clever clogg comes to point out that my English is so poor in usage).

The fears you refer to of ex pats jura for example not knowing if they can remain in the country they are currently living in, should be addressed by the EU.

From what you're posting, this is a failure on the part of the EU and not the UK. Whilst ex pats have been living in EU countries, paying into the local economy etc they've been welcome. If this does change it's a prime example of the EU's spite at the result of our referendum to leave and desire to punish us all.

We are supposed to be negotiating with the EU. Negotiation needs the co-operation of all involved. The EU doesn't want to negotiate it wants to say no to anything and everything the UK puts forward.

It's dictatorial which is why I voted to leave and if there were another referendum, which there wont be, Mr. S. would change his remain vote to leave because he is appalled at the total lack of negotiation being undertaken by the EU.

A no deal exit will be just as, if not more damaging to the EU, as it will be for the UK.

Yes Maw count me in on this, and baggs was saying much the same thing the other day.
It’s social media isn’t it, stirring people up so that they live their lives in permanent outrage.

Actually Maw, as someone who could be accused of it, I am full of hysterical rage. I just cannot believe what is going on with the car crash that is Brexit and the ghastly Trump. Yes, there is little I can do to change the situation, but I had thought that perhaps sharing my anger/disgust/fear/panic whatever with others who felt the same, or discussing it sensibly with others who have the opposite opinion, I could get a better understanding of why this is all happening. On Monday, I made the mistake of replying to a FB post about Trump's visit to the UK. I pointed out that he was generally sneered at in UK.....the vitriol was unbelievable, it was suggested that I kill myself . There are some awful people out there, and they have the vote!

We are supposed to be negotiating with the EU. Negotiation needs the co-operation of all involved. The EU doesn't want to negotiate it wants to say no to anything and everything the UK puts forward.

It's dictatorial which is why I voted to leave and if there were another referendum, which there wont be, Mr. S. would change his remain vote to leave because he is appalled at the total lack of negotiation being undertaken by the EU.

How strange Smileless. . I had almost the exact same conversation yesterday with my Remain neighbours who now say they abhor the way in which the EU is being so petty and dictatorial. They have no love for the rich business people or the Lords who are trying to overturn the democratic process and scattering boulders on the path to our exit.They agreed that there is and will be a future without Brusells calling the shots. They said their complete U turn was something they'd never have imagined at the time of the referendum.

And yes, Facebook is alive with the permanently outraged keyboard warriors. I am just thankful that over the garden fence everyone (in my neck of the woods at least) is civil and open to change.

We had a stockpiling thread elsewhere a while back, it was not about Brexit.

By 29 March I will have three kids under four, one probably still exclusively on milk.

I keep an overstocked kitchen because I can’t rely on being able to get to shops every day (littles can get sick, husband can take car, etc etc) and I have small tummies to keep full. Lentil curry and rice might not be the most exciting meal in the world, but I know at any time I can knock it and a decent number of other dishes out without needing anything fresh or leaving the house. We got flu in spring here. Two sick toddlers, one sick and pregnant mummy. No one willing to help or even bring groceries by. If it wasn’t for the cupboard, I don’t know what I would have done.

For the same reasons, I keep (securely) a good stock of common OTC medicines. I can’t be running around the town everytime someone spikes a temperature in the night and I need some Calpol to hand.

I have to formula feed for health reasons. No choice there I’m afraid. If there’s any realistic risk to supply chain disruption, I can’t be left without anything to feed my baby. Likewise, whilst it’s unlikely to have surprise water outages, I keep fresh potable water stocks on hand, because I would be royally behind the eight ball if I couldn’t make up a bottle.

I’m not making a political point on this thread. I keep stocks for practical reasons. The government is reportedly going to advise all of us to do so “just in case”. Thats not the sort of warning I ignore.

jura hysteria in any form
is unnecessary, destructive and contrary to what some people seem to think, no pointer to research insight, or even intelligence.
Stirring up emotions especially with half baked thread topics remindo me of was it Little Red Hen (?) who ran round in ever decreasing circles squawking that the sky was going to fall on their heads.
You may squawk away but might be better advised to think through your plans for whichever eventuality.

MawBroon, myself and the others are not in " permanent outrage" as you so ridiculously describe. We are on this forum and in other places asking questions of Brexitiers which they refuse to answer or more likely have no answers to.

We ask on the Irish border question, no realistic answer.

We ask what you Brexetiers say to the many thousands in the UK who fear for their jobs in Brexit, we receive no answer.

We ask we ask in regard the transport problems at the ports without a customs agreement, we receive no answer.

So, MawBroon, instead of making your usual ridiculous, arrogant and personal attacks on forum members, why for once do you and others supporting Brexit engage in trying to post realistically and with some intelligence on the above questions.

One
You assume too much.
I am not what you refer to as a Brexitier (although most people call them Brexiteers)
Two
The phrase "permanent outrage" was Arianna Huffington's aboutovernight life in general.
What I said was "hysterical negatvity"
The clue is in the words of my post.
So less of the accusatory "arrogance and personal atttacks"
Three
If I do not answer your questions about Brexit that could be because I am neither privy to the negotiations or the mindset of either front bench.

GillT57
My son in law runs a Audi dealership, my Daughter has a recruitment company mainly dealing in the motor trade. There aren't enough hours in the day right now with the demand, mainly from Jaguar Land Rover. One other daughter works for Jagua Land Rover.
None of them show any signs of slowing up on their expensive life styles.

Predictive texting!
I don't know where the "overnighr" came from! It should have been just "modern life in general"

'Chicken Licken' I think MawBroon

MawBroon, let's face it, once again you and other Brexitiers demonstrate that do not have the answers to the questions I placed in my above post.

You state that you are not privy to the negotiations. However, surely the answers to such basic and fundamental questions should have been with all who support Brexit before the referendum was even carried out.

Again let's face it, Brexit supporters do not have a clue how those problems are to be resolved, therefore they try to hide that behind personal attack, ridiculous posts or as in your case MawBroon a barrage of meaningless words.

Anyway once again back to work and coffee cups away. Wonderful stuff this voice recognition dictation for duel tasking, a post in a minute

Have an AC in armed forces, do not want them to be under an European fighting force.

Our business relies on imports from Germany, Japan and other countries in and outside of the EU. None of our suppliers are panicking nor our customers.

H o C and Brussels may be at loggerheads, but every day business continues. I cannot subscribe to the negativity and doom and gloom coming from either side of the argument.
European businesses rely on selling to U.K., do you really think Junker et al, will risk uproar from member states not being able to trade with UK, they need us more than we need them.

I shall wait to be told off by some, but I for one will remain positive. If and when any of the doom laden scenarios happen I will regroup, and move on as best I / we can.

Grandad1943
I am descending into 'hysterical negativity' reading your posts.
How many times are you going to post about asking questions that Brexiteers either have not or cannot answer.
When there must now be an encyclopaedia of posts responding to your questions with concise, researched and relevant answers.

Now who is burying his head in the sand with fingers in his ears?

Grandad
Read my lips
Not that it is any of your business but I didn't vote bl**dy LEAVE

Now will you get off your high horse before the vertigo gets you.
And get your head round the fact that no amount of your whingeing is going to make any difference

And unless it is pistols at dawn presumably you mean dual tasking.

GrannyGravy13
You obviously haven't been listening. You should either be making contingency plans, or, running about like a headless chicken
But your not are you. That's because your at the 'coal face' and understand what's going to happen, the eu needs and wants to trade with us.

Petra ?????

Ditto your post MawBroon!

Perhaps some posters should consider changing their username to Moros.

We do trade with countries other than the EU and they and the EU need our goods as much as we need theirs.

If push comes to shove and as a result of leaving the EU the whole world shuns us and all trade to everywhere is stopped we will undoubtedly all starve to death, if we do not freeze.

Remember the Millenium bug, flu pandemics that would sweep the world, Old Mother Shipton's forecasts that the world would end in 1600 or some such.

If and when disaster strikes we will deal with it, but I am not holding my breath.

We export the following to the EU (plus more, these are just the top ten exports there):

Whisky £895m
Salmon £186m
Chocolate £155m
Cheese £145m
Beer £139m
Wine £133m
Pork £109m
Gin £108m
Beef £106m
Vegetables £97m
Source H&M Customs and Excise

If we do not export those products they could be sold in the UK - at least we will all have a good supply of whisky and chocolates.
Coupled with the amount of food wasted at the moment, I reckon we'll survive.

Did you see this the other day?
www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/waste-food-wedding-marriage-couple/
Love Food, Hate Waste