so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Your personal attacks are very uncomfortable, as you happen to be perhaps the only person on GN who has a lot of personal information about me.
That is rather unfair, jura, and kitty does not deserve that, because you have posted a lot about your family and your life both here and in Switzerland on GN so many posters will know your circumstances.

'jura hysteria in any form
is unnecessary, destructive and contrary to what some people seem to think, no pointer to research insight, or even intelligence.
Stirring up emotions especially with half baked thread topics remindo me of was it Little Red Hen (?) who ran round in ever decreasing circles squawking that the sky was going to fall on their heads.
You may squawk away but might be better advised to think through your plans for whichever eventuality.,

Mawbroon- this is so incredibly rude and beyond the pale - even you should see that. Will not report to HQ- although really it should be deleted as an incredibly rabid personal attack. SQUAWK -

but no worries, and yes, like the proverbial little Red Hen in another favourite stories I used to read to our DCs - I have planned for all eventualities, and I did it all by myself (well with DH) ...no Schadenfreude from us, we are out of there and can cope with any loss of income, as we have everything else. Our DDs and GCs have every door and option open to them ... it does not stop me for being more than extremely upset (does not make me hysterical at all) re what is happening to the UK - of which I have been a citizen since 1972.

Shame on you, and those who support these extremely rude and personal attacks. Shame on you indeed.

Jalima, British butter is EU butter.

^Looking for truly British butter brands, the biggest ones are Countrylife (Dairy Crest) and Anchor (Arla) and today most retailer own label butter is made with British milk, either through Muller or Gower View Foods in Wales.
This has been helped by Muller’s investment in a £17 million butter processing plant in Market Drayton, which, in 2013 started producing butter for food processing. In 2015 Muller launched its first retail butter packs from the same plant. Made with 100% British cream from Red Tractor farms the butter is sold as branded Muller butter as well as own label butter.^

No Jalima- only 2 other members, very pleasant and kind, have any real information about me, really.

I have a massive new cupboard under the stairs in New House, I have earmarked it for the stockpile.
will there be cake muffin?

Well, with a username like muffin I should jolly well hope so!! Blueberry ones? If no blueberries are available I have a seemingly endless supply of blackcurrants. And
I can contribute some GF flour although it could be out of date by September.
Butter (English or Welsh, take your pick), local eggs and sugar from British sugar beet.
Sorted!

In the media this morning from the Australian trade minister: the whole of the commonwealth are behind us.
I would imagine that there are (how many) British companies seeing this (Brexit) as a wonderful opportunity.
Did anyone see a programme some time back Re sanctions on Russia. Hundreds of Russians saw this as an opportunity to make the food stuffs that were being denied them by the eu and are now making a very good living.
There's always another way.

the vitriol being thrown about by the Brexit camp, the wild statements about the EU are taken as being fair and balanced? Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to what is being said.
GillT57 I think a fair few of the posters you accuse of being in the Brexit camp did in fact vote Remain - but perhaps not given to hysteria and pessimism, rather they are hoping for the best outcome but are prepared, in spirit, for any eventuality.

As people who have lived through worst times would say - 'Don't meet trouble halfway'.
'Smile, it may never happen'

But always remember that motto of the Scouts and Guides - 'Be Prepared'

And never lose your British sense of humour, which has been evident (sometimes) on this thread.

In the media this morning from the Australian trade minister: the whole of the commonwealth are behind us.
Well, that is extremely gracious of him or her - because we abandoned our family in favour of our new friends - never a good thing to do.

And unless it is pistols at dawn presumably you mean dual tasking.
No, I think Grandad got it right first time MawBroon

Arla imports much of the milk it uses in the products it makes on a daily JIT basis from the EU - so those goods not quite entirely British made! The U.K. does not produce enough milk for its needs.

MawBroon, in regard to your post to myself earlier in this thread in which you stated: "Read my lips", in that, just in case you are not aware, this is a text forum.

In the above, no one can read anyone's lips in a text context and therefore you seem to demonstrate that you do not have "the capacity" to fully comprehend this forum and its limitations.

I also did state "duel tasking" in my later post which would seem to be another text matter that you did not fully comprehend today.

I do hope that Grandad1943 has written to all the cabinet ministers, advisers, MPs etc who confirmed the Brexit decision, and who have influence over those negotiating Brexit deals, and is not just wasting his ammunition machine-gunning random Gransnet members on the subject. Random in that he even seems to be demanding explanations and contrition from some who didn't even vote for Brexit.

It was the "duel tasking " which made me laugh -as I asked "pistols at dawn?"
Or do you STILL not get it?
"Read my lips" is a standard turn of phrase" or put anot her way "Do I need to write it in words of only one syllable for you to understand? "

Elegran, I believe there are many throughout the UK that voted for Brexit but now do no acknowledge that they did so.

As the problems and cost of leaving the EU have become clear and public opinion has swung against those that are seen to have brought us all into this desperate situation, the attractions of being seen to be on the "correct side" are overwhelming and avoids personal criticism.

Jalima
Totally agree. We treated them badly, particularly so as they were 'family'
I don't think there's any setiment involved here, it's plain and simple economics.

Well don't impugn my integrity by including me in that number.
BTW how do you KNOW so much about what was after all a secret ballot?
Sorted out duel/dual yet? ??

MalBroon, you state that "read my lips" is a standard turn of phrase on a text forum? In that to use another turn of phrase "you must be Joking" as I believe that like myself countless thousands would not have ever seen that term used in any text document

In regard to duel tasking, it is something which is now carried out in many forms in offices today especially with the advance of mobile technology.

Of coarse as you have demonstrated by your posts on this forum today, you would in all probability not have "the capacity" to carry out such action.

Jura, I have just got back from tea with a friend but would like to ask what was 'below the belt' in my post?

Where did I mention glee?

For Grandad's information I voted remain. I haven't forgotten or refuse to acknowledge the truth.

I think it's a great shame that we are leaving the EU but, as MOnica said way up thread, we have had these doom laden scenarios previously and we are all still here.

The truth is, like it or not, the vote was 'Leave' so Leave we shall and we will all survive. So please just stop with the passive aggressive, down beat, hysterical posting.

And Chicken Licken thought the sky was falling in and managed to engender mass hysteria on his way to tell the king - but the sky wasn't about to fall in - it was just an acorn.

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Grandad1943
Are you having a laugh ( MawBroon) under stress. I don't know if you've missed it, but there are people on here who are living in terror

You go too far granddad1943, you have said you forbid staff in your office to post , you also said you show them posts on this forum for their amusement. Do not try to patronise Maw to boost your already inflated ego, you may burst.

This is said with concern for your ego blowing up.

from what you're posting, this is a failure on the part of the EU and not the UK. Whilst ex pats have been living in EU countries, paying into the local economy etc they've been welcome. If this does change it's a prime example of the EU's spite at the result of our referendum to leave and desire to punish us all.

Good Lord, smileless; a perfect example of Leavers hysteria.

The EU is a regulatory entity. Its laws and regulations are intended to ensure smooth running of the Single Market so that the member states can enjoy 'frictionless trade' and be confident that the goods they trade with each other are of a high standard and that purchasers can be confident that what they buy isn't going to harm them in any way.

It isn't a being at all. Attributing emotions to it is just plain stupid.

Negotiations are being carried out according to principles decided by the 27 remaining EU states. They have set their own 'red lines'; one of which being that the 4 freedoms are indivisible. That means that they cannot be split apart. This is not 'spite'; this is member states protecting their interests and the integrity of the Single Market which they benefit from and which we are being forced choosing to leave.

As for EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in the EU, they have been stripped of their rights by a vote which most of them had no influence over whatsoever. It is very telling that you only have concern for what you describe as UK 'ex-pats' (they are actually immigrants, same as any national who leaves their home country to go and live in another country is); the EU nationals who live and work and marry and have families in the UK don't get a mention.

As I understand it, the EU would have been prepared to give UK citizens in the EU the rights that they have always enjoyed as EU citizens. It was May who refused to reciprocate. Had she done so the issue of mutual recognition of rights would have been settled ages ago. But no, she wanted to use EU citizens living in the UK as bargaining chips. We all discussed this 2 years ago and I suppose the conclusions were much as they are now. Leavers didn't care at all that their vote stripped away people's rights and caused appalling uncertainty and stress for EU nationals and UK nationals alike. But now they're whining that UK nationals in the EU may be badly treated because the EU wants to 'punish' us; that that non-sentient legal entity wants to punish us. How absurd can you get....

Grandad has to be having a laugh!
Enjoying a chilled and happy day with DGS so please stop trying to patronise me (as if I"d ever have been seen dead working in a H&S office) ??
(Have you got the hang of your spelling of duel and dual yet? )

petra, I one hundred percent agree that there are many in Britain who are living in terror of their future employment being destroyed by Brexit.

In that, there are obviously many on this forum and elsewhere that show no concern whatsoever for those persons as they pursue their dream of bringing back a Briton that has not existed in over forty years.

Fingers in ears, head in the sand and lets all jump of the cliff together.

Ridiculous

MawBroon, chilled and happy day with the grandson. It certainly looks like you have not paid much attention to him, judging by your continuous presence on this forum.