Brexit

We worked out before the referendum that we and our part of Scotland would be much worse off if we left the EU. We also worked out that it might make things awkward for Ireland, but that was based upon all the anti-independence scare stories about impossible borders between England and Scotland, so we were a bit surprised that the Irish border will not be a problem (according to Brexiteers) but it would still be unworkable for us. Another consideration was that some young members of our families have studied and worked in EU countries and their freedom of movement and opportunities will be severely curtailed. But some of those aforementioned young Scots people rejected independence because they were -- conned -- persuaded a yes vote would mean Scotland coming out of Europe. I do indeed accept democracy, even though what is being done is like a slow wrecking ball through our lives, hopes and dreams, but I do wish the UK government would remember we are here and that they wanted us to remain part of the UK to the extent that we were lied to big time. One has to wonder why they want us if they don't now really care how much damage this is doing. It can't just be about Trident, can it?

I never did understand why Scotland wanted independance it sounded just as daft as Cornwall going it alone. It would be possible of course, just rebuild Hadrians Wall a bit further north, full customs checks and immigration control, no "cake and eat it" Scexit means Scexit.
As for Trident that can be moved, much of the arming is done at US bases anyway but if/when Corbyn gets elected Tridents days are numbered.

Very tongue in cheek

I'm really surprised that there has been no effort made by Leavers to refute what has been advised by the RHA chief Executive Richard Burnett.

Latest polling shows that 112 “Leave” seats would now vote “Remain” if there were to be another vote. The constituencies shifting allegiance are mainly in the north of England and in Wales. Wales would now be a Remain area rather than a Leave area.
Two of the constituencies now preferring Remain are Boris Johnson’s and Michael Gove’s. Perhaps those two ought to rethink!

Overall Remain would be 53% and Leave 47%.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain

It is not sursprising that GN leavers cannot refute statements made by those in the transport business who know exactly what damage a hard brexit would do. Their brexiteer heroes have no answer either. Listen to this pathetic unconvincing performance by JRM-

"Why a van driver tackled Somerset MP Jacob Rees-Mogg over Brexit"

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/van-driver-tackled-somerset-mp-1626997

Perhaps Grandad it's because we don't need to!

Allygran1, you state in your above post that you feel you do not need to refute the recent press statement by the Road Haulage Association (RHA) Chief Executive Richard Burnett. In that statement, Burnett advised on the devastating effects of a "no deal" Brexit on the Road Haulage Industry and through that Britain in General.

Therefore Allygran1 as an ardent "cut & paste" Brexitier are you stating that you accept the "chaos and wholesale damage" that will come about in the British Road Transport Industry and the contagion that will bring to all UK residents lives on a no deal Brexit.

Should the above be the case Allygran1, then Brexit really is dead, as no one will accept that prospect as an outcome for their post-Brexit lives.

In the office today but look forward to reading your response later in the day.

Grandad1943
Has your decision to vote remain been based purely upon the views of the RHA who represent only 50% of all Road Hauliers?
There are far more reasons for leaving and indeed potentially one or two for remaining. Open your eyes, do some research (not RHA). You may be shocked, suprised and potentially enlightened.

Joelsnan, in response to your post @ 13:01 today (13/08/18) you ask if my vote to remain has been based purely upon the views of the RHA who represent only 50% of all Road Hauliers?

My answer is that many factors influenced my remain decision but how Brexit would affect the Transport industry made up a large part of my eventual judgment. Road Transport is the most vital support industry to all other industries with the exception of the city.

The RHA part in the above would be that they represent over 7000 Road Haulage companies who operate over two hundred and fifty thousand heavy vehicles into and out of the EU and in that bulk supplying distribution and manufacturing centres throughout Britain. Therefore, those 7000 plus RHA member companies form the "backbone" of the transport industry.

Consequently, much of the goods being carried on the vehicles we see every day with logos such as Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's, Argos to name but a few, had a huge percentage of the goods on those vehicles supplied to them by RHA member vehicles running through Britains ports.

The above is the reason I feel that everyone should consider very seriously the statement made by the RHA Chief Executive Richard Burnett in regard to the effects a "no deal" Brexit would have on the Road Transport Industry and in that everyone who resides in Britain.

Let’s face it, grandad1943 some Brexiteers don’t care a fig about the economic damage and chaos that may ensue as long as they get “Brexit”. The fact that it’s costing billions, we won’t see any benefits in our lifetimes, if at all, we will really be the sick man of Europe once again means nothing because we will have raised the drawbridge and will have no links with those furriners.

crysraltips
Let's face it, You have no idea what anyone else thinks. Your comments are just assumptions based upon your own predjudices.
You have no idea what remaining in the EU will bring but you are prpared to stay even though you are repeatedly advised of the cracks that are there.
Leavers do look and lusten and analyse and weigh up the pros and cons and evaluate all of the current scaremongering and still feel that those who follow us will thank us for being brave enough to make the break mow.

Scaremongering??? Get real

varian, I believe that with industry figures such as RHA Chief Executive Richard Burnett now openly speaking out in regard to Brexit, opinion in Britain is and has now changed.

As several opinion polls demonstrated over the weekend, remaining in the European Union is now the preferred option of the majority in the UK now that the full repercussions of leaving have been clearly demonstrated to all of us.

varian, can I thank you and others like you for the long continuous hours you have spent in persuading so many in the remain argument.

Again many thanks

grandad1943
Several opinion polls demonstrated that the referendum would result in a majority vote for remaining in the EU....ooops!

I have to admit you are right Joelsnan, the polls did get it wrong in 2016, but we now have a lot more information about the nonsense that is brexit, and the more information we have the more leave voters will see the error of their ways - not you and most of the other brexiters on GN but they are a lost cause, an irrelevance.

The British people, having been properly informed of the options and the implications , need to be given the chance to exercise their democratic right in a way they never were in 2016.

And several did Joelsnan . That is the trend of the polls and the way the opinion in the country is going.

Brexitiers clinging to straws again. Same old story, fingers in ears, heads in the sand and let's all jump of the cliff together.

Except now it does just not wash with an ever-growing number of the British electorate

Let’s face it, grandad1943 some Brexiteers don’t care a fig about the economic damage and chaos that may ensue as long as they get “Brexit”. The fact that it’s costing billions, we won’t see any benefits in our lifetimes, if at all, we will really be the sick man of Europe once again means nothing because we will have raised the drawbridge and will have no links with those furriners.

You know those things for a fact, do you, crustaltips?

Presumably you have done some research

Jamila do you not realise there are no facts on Brexit just aspirations that most likely will not be realized. We have no idea what the final deal or no deal will mean, that is scary after 2 yrs of no negotiations.

Jalima1108, there are plenty of facts if YOU did some searching around. I have posted in this thread the views of the RHA Chief Executive Richard Burnett who is someone who has a lifetime of experience in the Road Transport Industry.

Comment on his views now that they have been placed in front of you Jalima1108 instead of " dodging" the main debate issues in your usual offhand manner.

Grandad1943
cut and paste from Commercial Motor magazine
Senior management at UK road transport operators do not believe that Brexit will damage their growth prospects in the short or medium term, with a majority anticipating significantly or slightly better growth in 2018 and 2019.

A study of the health and prosperity of the road transport industry in the UK, conducted by Asset Alliance Group and CM’s sister title Motor Transport and launched yesterday (24 April) at the CV Show on the Asset Alliance stand (3D79), found that:

47.9% of MDs, chief executives and owners of road hauliers and logistics operators said their business would perform slightly better in 2018 compared with 2017.
14.2% said it would perform significantly better in 2018 compared with 2017.
The Asset Alliance Industry Monitor is a study into the size, shape and sentiments of the road transport industry, and contains unique insights into the future of the sector.
Willie Paterson, chief executive at Asset Alliance Group (pictured), said: “It is easy to get caught up in negative headlines about the implications of Brexit, the political landscape and legislation changes, but the results of this survey are extremely positive, which demonstrates real market confidence from the road transport sector.

"People are remarkably optimistic.”

You can download the report at the Asset Alliance website.

By Christopher Walton

assetalliancegroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/184-Industry-Monitor-online-version.pdf

Grandad, I will respond to you when I decide to not when you say. Hope you had a good day in the office, whenever that was!

I respond to post's that I believe are interesting and worth my effort. Sadly that one is an old chestnut that you have pulled out so many times in one form or another.

Excellent post Joelsnan. Really informative and giving a balanced view thanks for putting it up.

Grandad your comments to Jalimal.

I can't speak for Jalimal, however you should consider that sometime people simply don't want to respond to certain comment's or issues. Especially Grandad if they contain an derogatory remark that is personalised. Challenging people to post is not the way.

Allygran1, if Jalimal does not want to respond to "certain comments or issues" that a thread is centred around, then that begs the question why comment or post at all.

In regards to joelsnans post on the Asset Alliance Group in the Motor Transport, it is getting late now, but I "very much look forward" to responding to that when I finish work tomorrow.

By the way in response to your enquiry in regards to my hours at my office today, that was from 10:00 am until 5:00 pm with a break while we waited for a report to be passed back from the legal secretary.

However, none of us incurred repetitive strain injury from cutting and pasting anything into that report.

So glad to hear it although a ten till five job isn't that demanding is it. Especially with other people doing your reports and research for you. As I said, don't knock it till you tried it. Research is something that you can gain a lot from. Need knowledge to find knowledge, that is what my Lecturer's use to say.

I look forward to your response Grandad, whenever you wish to do so.