Deal or No Deal

Voters don’t vote for the Libs in a General Election since they went in coalition with the tories , I think votes will come back for them but it will take time, it took labour 14 years to win back the majority vote after the 1983 election.

Yes it is here winterwhite. Despite a Tory in a very safe seat in HoC, the local elections are usually very different with a mix of parties and often the LibDems as the majority party. This is getting serious folks, and nobody is doing much about it.

A great pity that the British press can only think in terms of two parties at once. At local level both the Tories and Labour are often more wary of the Lib Dems than of one another, that’s where the ignoring largely comes from. The LD vote in council by-elections is impressive.

Yes I generally do Varian and I fail to see why they are regularily mocked and sneered at in the HoC. Those of us who are very concerned about the future and do not take great comfort in patriotic flim flam or blue passports are sorely unrepresented, even though we are a massive minority. I also fail to see why the BBC gives such extensive cover to what Jacob Rees-Mogg says; he is only a backbencher, one of many and the fact that he has not achieved office within his own party is telling. Was it Gordon Brown who talked of a 'government of the talents'? We could do with one now. We have neither effective government party not effective opposition and it is a bloody disgrace.

Vote for the Liberal Democrats, Gill. They are the only party who represent your views.

It is really worrying that there seems to be little in the way of actual governing going on. Both major parties are tearing themselves apart. I suspect we are going to have a GE soon, all the signs are there; bribery ( payrises for public sector/potholes being filled in/cash for NHS) but just who do I vote for? Who will represent the huge minority who voted to remain in the EU? A minority which I believe is now a majority by the way, as bit by bit the truth is revealed. The Tory party is generally a Remain party, but in the stranglehold of a handful of fervent maniacal Brexit supporters, the Labour party is a disaster with a leader who didn't even have the courtesy to nail his colours to either mast. I can't be the only one in this situation as there was 48% of us. As for doing business with China and USA......doesn't anyone read the news?

Politicaly motivated campaign? That is so wrong, the anti semetics in the Labour Party said what they said, no lies ,

If it swims, walks, squarks like a duck ?

As for your last paragraph Eloethan... the least said the better!

I said on a thread yesterday ( and it’s worth repeating) why are a few posters giving credit to what JRM thinks/says....
Or do they really believe he has special clairvoyant powers?

As for ‘this government’ doing badly with negotiations, it’s a shame that Corbyn isn’t in charge because he would have the EU eating out of his hand and would do so well....(falls off chair laughing.)

Whether you voted in or out (I voted in, though not wholeheartedly), I doubt anybody realised what an absolute shambles this government would make of the negotiations and how little progress would have been made at this late stage. I think there is enough evidence now to demonstrate that leaving the EU will cause all sorts of problems. Jacob Rees Mogg apparently said that it could take up to 50 years for the UK to benefit from leaving the EU. That might give pause for thought for some people but, as a very wealthy man, probably not much of a problem for him.

The fact is this government can't even run this country with any degree of competence - the contracting out of large chunks of the probation service has been described as a "monumental failure", just the latest in a long line of monumental failures this government has presided over.

But never mind, while the parliamentary recess is on and the Brexit shambles is not in focus, we'll instead turn our attention to a politically motivated campaign about supposed rampant anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

Sunny
We're not doing too bad.
This is from: This Is Money, financial website of the year.
Dated Sep2017
There are over 3,000 more jobs in financial and insurance companies in the second quarter of 2017 compared *to the time of the Brexit vote*
Goldman Sachs is building a vast new office in London the size of 18 football pitches
Deutsche has also signed up for a massive new London HQ

Petra
From Michael Burrage, Harvard Economist.
exports by the uk to 111 countries outside the eu under WTO rules grew by 2.9% between 1993-2015.
this was more than 3 times greater than the 0.9% growth in exports to eu countries in the same period and 1% higher than the trade with the 62 countries which have trade agreements with the eu
These are figures that 'they' don't want you to know.
These are the figures that prove we will be better off outside the eussr.

I don't get it - if we were able to do this as members of the EU, how does this show that we will be better off out of it?
But it's late, and I haven't slept well all week, so maybe I am overlooking something obvious!

I wish I shared your optimism Sunny It isn't shared by any health professionals or scientists I have spoken to. Being reliant on trade with China and the USA sounds disastrous, but never mind, Theresa May will give us UK only queues at the airports so we can wave our blue passports to our heart's content. Apparently this is a "tangible benefit"!!!

I quote, " could mean for science", no hard evidence then ? The millennial bug was going to bring the world to chaos; as I recall everything was fine on 1/01/2000. Voting to leave the EU would bring the economy of the UK to it's knees, the pound dropped in value yes but, where is the major down turn we were promised by project fear and, further the City of London would be decimated by firms and jobs leaving.........a few have gone. I voted remain but I live in a democracy so therefore I bow politely to the majority that voted to leave, and will continue to believe in, support and, cheer my Country on, come what may.

A no-deal Brexit could see Britain lose as many as 92,000 science and technology jobs by 2030, a report by Cambridge Econometrics found in January.

inews.co.uk/news/brexit/heres-what-a-no-deal-brexit-could-mean-for-science/

We have to disregard those who didn't bother or couldn't be bothered to vote. The fact is that a majority of those that thought the referendum important enough to turn out, decided that they had had enough of being governed from Brussels and wanted to take back British control. The millions who, obviously, couldn't give a damn, do not have or deserve a say in what happens next. They had their chance, as we all did and the result must stand. We must not go the Irish way of voting until the result, that the minority want, is attained. We have voted and that is final. Let's get on with the job of ditching government from Belgium, which itself didn't exist until 1830, as a distinctive Country. The Countries of the UK have existed from time immemorial and as United Kingdom from 1603, when James 1st became King. We have history, Belgium and the EU do not. Let's take back what is ours and let's get on with it quickly. We have a great future ahead of us. Project fear and the doom mongers will be proved wrong. Rule Britannia!

Have you a link, petra?

From Michael Burrage, Harvard Economist.
exports by the uk to 111 countries outside the eu under WTO rules grew by 2.9% between 1993-2015.
this was more than 3 times greater than the 0.9% growth in exports to eu countries in the same period and 1% higher than the trade with the 62 countries which have trade agreements with the eu
These are figures that 'they' don't want you to know.
These are the figures that prove we will be better off outside the eussr.

Jeremy Hunt on Brexit: 'We are heading for no deal by accident'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/01/jeremy-hunt-on-brexit-we-are-heading-for-no-deal-by-accident

Is this really what it comes down to, because some 17m misguided people wrote a suicide note the entire nation of 65 or 66 million people have to jump off a cliff????

f there were to be second referendum which I very much doubt and hope wont happen, IMO only those who voted the first time around together with those who weren't eligible to vote then, but are now, should be able to do so

That would indeed be a subversion of democracy.

People have every right to choose not to use their vote but no-one has the right to take it away from them. That would lay the way open to tyranny.

Wise words gilly

Perhaps those who didn't bother to vote for whatever reason simply didn't regard the referendum as important as those who did vote. If something matters to you, you do what you can to make it happen, and if you do nothing, you're in no position to complain if the end result wasn't what you wanted or expected

I totally agree with you smileless

We don’t know how the non-voters would have voted, do we? Assuming the same proportion Leave to Remain as those who did vote doesn’t get us very far.
The people making ‘big money’ out of Europe, and it is harsh to single out MEPs, are as nothing compared to those who govern for the rich, whose philosophy increases inequality and who see no harm in the poor being expected to wait till 2050 for any benefits from Brexit to filter through to them.

Have they brought out Jeramy Hunts stunt double?
The probability of a no deal is increasing by the day until we see a change of approach from the European Commission who have this view that they just need to wait and Britain will blink.
This is just a profound misunderstanding of us as a nation
When did Jeramy start batting for the uk?

Why does it matter how many didn't bother to vote because they thought it was a done deal and the vote to remain would be in the majority?

Perhaps those who didn't bother to vote for whatever reason simply didn't regard the referendum as important as those who did vote. If something matters to you, you do what you can to make it happen, and if you do nothing, you're in no position to complain if the end result wasn't what you wanted or expected.

IMO it's ridiculous to go on about those who didn't vote and to second guess whether or not the result would have been different if they had.

If there were to be second referendum which I very much doubt and hope wont happen, IMO only those who voted the first time around together with those who weren't eligible to vote then, but are now, should be able to do so.

Anyone who couldn't be bothered to get off their backsides and vote on such an important issue shouldn't be given a second chance to do so because they don't like the decision made by the majority who could be bothered.